72T tool kit

[joe_72T]

Hi folks,
Very new to this so please bear with me.

What are the correct tools and pouch for a 72T tool kit? I have a pouch that is a weave style with two buckles. It contains some open end wrenches, spark plug wrench and a tire wrench. some of them are stamped with the words "Klein" some say West Germany.

Can anyone tell me what are the period correct tools and pouch for a 72T?

thanks very much.

Joe
jsaraceni@trebnet.com

[HarryD]

Joe,

Welcome to our board. It is customary to post a picture of your car. Since yours is a '72, the extra flap makes it extra special.

This thread shows a '73 tool kit. Be sure to read the commentary as well since the picture is missing 3 wrenches 73T tool kit.

Our counterparts at the Early 911S Registry bbs (http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/index.php) have spent much time beating this topic to death. Here is one such thread: http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23835

[Bill Verburg]

Here's my original '72 tool kit




The only non stock tool is the spanner for the late fan

[HarryD]

Also, if you have the owners manual, I think it shows what the factory included in the tool kit.

[Mr9146]

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

Here's my original '72 tool kit




The only non stock tool is the spanner for the late fan

I'm sorry Bill, but those open-end wrenches are not Porsche factory tool kit wrenches. They ARE German DIN wrenches and appear to be the correct sizes, but the proper wrenches should say "Drop Forged" on them. The "Selected Special Steel" is for the later 74-89 cars.

[Mr9146]

Here's what the wrenches should look like, but even these aren't all perfectly original as they don't all say "Drop Forged".

NOTE: The only wrench that shouldn't say "Drop Forged" is the double box-end 19/22 wrench which should read "Chrom Vanadium".

[Bill Verburg]

I'm sorry too Marco, but that is what came w/ my '72

[HarryD]

Marco,

Your set is from a '73 as you have the reversible screwdriver not a separate flat and phillips head.

This is my kit from my late '73.5. My open end wrenches say "Selected Special Steel". And yes, my set is missing the pliers and the Fan Belt wrench.

[RWebb]

where is Eso-teric?


wouldn't surprise me if P KG just tossed whatever they had on hand into the car - doubt if they cared whether "drop forged" or "selected special steel" was written on the wrenches...

[joe_72T]

ok my tool pouch looks like Bill's. So am I to assume it is correct for a 72T.

Also, from what I can see I am missing:

2 screwdrivers - Am I correct in assuming that I need a philips and a flat head with red handles? what markings? I have seen some kits with one red handle and reversable screwdiver but this is not correct for my car right?

box end wrench - 19/22 which should read "Chrom Vanadium" right?

The plyers that I have do not have anymarkings on them what so ever and are very shiny. almost made in china like. What are the original ones like?

thanks again guys!!

[Mr9146]

Bill - I stand corrected. Apparently, 72 was more than a one-year only car ... it was a one-year only tool kit as well. Here's a picture of a toolkit from a PERFECTLY ORIGINAL 72 that recently passed through my shop (that I forgot all about during my inital posting). I still don't believe that it's right, but the car was SOOOOO original that it has to be. The wrenches just can't be right...



Randy - We all know that Porsche is famous for rifiling the parts shelves to finish cars.

Harry - Not a picture of one of my kits. I snagged the picture from the Early S site to illustrate the wrenches, nothing more. I don't have pictures of my best original kit, but it's a 1970 so it has no bearing here. As for the "Selected Special Steel" markings, thank you for setting me straight on when Porsche made the switch. I thought it was 74, but apparently it's 73 or 73.5.

Randy - Who do you think was the lead poster on the thread where I snagged the photo?

Joe - Not sure what your pliers are, but there's a few different types that have appeared over the years. I'm not sure anyone really knows 100% what pliers came from what year as there are SOOOOO many intricate variations between them. The above photo will get you half way there on what the bottom should look like (the wire cutter hole). You're right about the box wrench, though... "Chrom-Vanadium"

[RWebb]

Eric is proposing some sort of arbitrary grouping of tool kit wrenches for consistency on the Early 911S@ thread.

Now, I am not a concours kinda guy, but if Porsche mixed up wrenches, shouldn't you guys relate each wrench type to a particular VIN ???

I mean no matter how long it takes, that is the only correct way to do it, right?

[Mr9146]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Eric is proposing some sort of arbitrary grouping of tool kit wrenches for consistency on the Early 911S@ thread.

Now, I am not a concours kinda guy, but if Porsche mixed up wrenches, shouldn't you guys relate each wrench type to a particular VIN ???

I mean no matter how long it takes, that is the only correct way to do it, right?

I think Eric might be the worst when it comes to tool kits and sport seats ... although, SWBSam has a room in his house dedicated to the latter.

Personally, I'm not much for the hoity-toity attitude or mentality of concours events ... but I am somewhat of a stickler for originality.

Hell, even my fully custom 70T Hot Rod had a perfect and complete 1970 tool kit (albeit with a few extras I always carry, but those were stored in a separate bag ).

[HarryD]

Originally Posted by Mr9146

Bill - I stand corrected. Apparently, 72 was more than a one-year only car ... it was a one-year only tool kit as well. Here's a picture of a toolkit from a PERFECTLY ORIGINAL 72 that recently passed through my shop (that I forgot all about during my inital posting). I still don't believe that it's right, but the car was SOOOOO original that it has to be. The wrenches just can't be right...



Randy - We all know that Porsche is famous for rifiling the parts shelves to finish cars.

Harry - Not a picture of one of my kits. I snagged the picture from the Early S site to illustrate the wrenches, nothing more. I don't have pictures of my best original kit, but it's a 1970 so it has no bearing here. As for the "Selected Special Steel" markings, thank you for setting me straight on when Porsche made the switch. I thought it was 74, but apparently it's 73 or 73.5.

Randy - Who do you think was the lead poster on the thread where I snagged the photo?

Joe - Not sure what your pliers are, but there's a few different types that have appeared over the years. I'm not sure anyone really knows 100% what pliers came from what year as there are SOOOOO many intricate variations between them. The above photo will get you half way there on what the bottom should look like (the wire cutter hole). You're right about the box wrench, though... "Chrom-Vanadium"

Marco,

Thanks for the compliment. I am far from a concoooors expert. I only know what I see over and over again.

Now, where is PWD72S when you REALLY need him....

FWIW, this is what Eric has to say:

Originally Posted by Soterik

That's not a 72 toolkit....a few tools may overlap into 72....

The 72 kit was the basketweave material, with two clasp closures, and similar to all the preceding 911 kits.

There should be two screwdrivers (one phillips, and one with a duck billed straight blade) and both should be red handled and scripted "10,000 volt".

The wrenches should be 8x9, 10x11, 12x13, 14x15, 17x19, open, with "selected special steel", or "drop forged steel" scripted on them, or a combination of both.

There should be a box end wrench, 19 x 22, with Chrom-Vandium scripted on it.

The plug wrench should be scripted Klein 21, and should have a knurled handle on it, with a 90 degree bend at the base of the handle where it joins the shaft...no "shoulder" (those were later), and no spring swivel on it like the one pictured.

The pliers....well, I have seen mostly a no name cross hatched handle pliers with a raised cutting edge. The raised cutting edge portion may be chromed....some aren't. The Hapewe ones I believe to be a 73 change over.

The lug wrench should be as pictured in the one on Ebay.

The fan belt should be 9,5 x 710, and if original, will have "Porsche Phoenix" scripted on it.

The fan belt wrench should be scripted P208, though I have seen a couple of correct ones with no script.

The allen head wrench may or may not have a script on it. I don't have any in my office, many at home...so from "memory", they will say "din sw 911", or some may have "klein" on them. I have seen several with no script on them at all.

regards,
Eric (avowed toolkit junkie....)

[joe_72T]

you guys are amazing!

When I bought my car early this spring I had no idea it came with all this support staff. I real brotherhood and I am so happy to be a part of it.

Thanks to all of you!

now if anyone knows where i can get the tools to complete my set without mortgaging my kids please let me know!

[Bill Verburg]

Here's a close up some of them, the flat blade srew driver has a funky tip, don't remember why, the plastic says 10000 volt W. GERMANY, the pliers say HAPEWE & WEST GERMANY on the handles