Creating a retro porsche- different route

Oh thanks Warren! trust you to burst my bubble!
It seemed a good idea for all of a couple of days or so. Enough for me to have happy dreams for one night!.
Well, if the 964 fans are half as reliable as the fans in a 3.2 Carrera you can forget it!.
I have had 3 fans break down in 2 years. Fresh air, A/C evaporateor and heater!.
So much for German electrics.
Never had any problems with Lucas fans!
Ahhhhhgh!!!

Originally posted by MBlake:
CamB,

I don't think you would get a 74 RSR replica if your starting point was a 930. You would get a 934 RSR!

I know what you mean, but I would (dreams are free) choose the 74RSR bumper and IROC spoiler (would the intercooler fit - probably not!), rather than the 934 bumpers. Now you have me thinking though... So it would look like a 74RSR but be more mechanically similar (I wish!) to a 934. On reflection, I have no idea of EXACTLY what the 934 looks like - is it the same?

This beast was featured in the latest (Sept 2001) 911 & Porsche World. A turn-key race with 485 bhp, and the styling of 3.0 RSR. In fact it seems it was a RSR before the addition of a turbocharger from the CanAm 917/30's!

We don't have the September issue yet :-( All the magazines (ie 911 & Porsche World and Excellence) generally get seafreighted so we are a month or two behind...

Cam

I am in the process of retro'ing a '88 Carrera into a 73RS look with a 3.6 motor. Body work in fairly easy(but $$$) and the hard part is the 3.6 motronic conversion. DO NOT EVEN START this project until you can speak to Steve timmons( www.instant-g.com). The is the ONLY person that seriously knows how to do this transformation correctly....ASK, Jack Olsen if this is correct ??? GOOD LUCK....

CamB,

I will post some pictures on Monday when I get back to my desk

Marcus

This is partly why I was looking at the 964 route.
Mainly because it already has the engine set up!.
The suspension is coil over springs but this was intended as an RS look project not to be identical as that would really take $$$$$.
The suspension and brakes already in the 964 are an improvement as I understand it!.
As Warren pointed out- the more complex electrics/electronics might be a achilles heal later in life but then again I have recently heard that the engine wireing harness on 993's is suspect to degredation! So Nothing is perfect!.
As a 964 can also be stripped down weight- wise, I think a 964 - with depreciating values might be a better contender than a post 86 Carrera which I would have thought would be of higher purchase price almost?
I am still interested in these lookalikes as they seem very popular.

Yeah I know it's a die cast but it's still a 934. If anybody is interested in the model they are like $120.



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rj cilurso
87 911 targa

ABS would be an improvement on an earlier car, air bags and power steering is for weenies with cell phones plugged into their ears....A/C....would be nice but only if I lived in Texas or Hell....

Just my two cents...

Great idea Ben, don't give up on it yet!

My $.02: my '92 C2 is more reliable than my wife's Honda, and the most trouble-free car I have ever owned. The engineering may be more sophisticated than earlier cars but IMHO and IME this does not equal more trouble-prone.

As I recall, you spend some time in FL, and as a former resident of South Florida, I can assure the rest of you that actual working a/c would be a good idea!

Go to one DE with an ABS car and a good instructor, and any doubts about the value of that system will vanish. And re power steering, on the 964 it is NOT overboosted and retains excellent feel--definitely drive one to see.

Lastly, because I believe even the most proficient Porsche pilot can not always escape a drunk or idiot driving into his path, I like the idea of airbags. If you don't, however, instructions for disabling or removing them are easy to find on the 'net.

Anyway, I think you have an intriguing idea here, and hope you pursue it. Keep us posted!

For those of you insterested in the article that James Adams copied, I've put a slightly-lower-resolution version on my site:

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Thanks again, James.

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Jack Olsen
My Rennlist page • My Pelican Gallery page • My Porsche Owners Gallery page

[This message has been edited by JackOlsen (edited 09-07-2001).]

Thank you for posting that article on your site Jack. That is definately going to be on my must buy list when I hit the lottery jackpot!! Some carbon fibre doors and a full house 3.8 multiple throttle engine would make it absolutely perfect.

Heres a pic of my 934 and GT2;


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Bill Verburg
My Home Page My Pelican Gallery page My Porsche Owners Gallery Page

Sorry, have not read all the posts regarding the retro conversion, but having done 74 wide body to 73 RS, a 78 turbo to 74 RSR look, and more than a few RS conversions on early cars, you need to know that the 964 conversion will cost you in the neighborhood of $10k including a paint job, but no wheels- yep some custom offset machined 3 piece fuchs will have to be made up from 6 x 16 cores. More than likely the exhaust will be a pain , unless you backdate it to either a set of custom headers or suffer some horsepower loss by installing SSI's (yes, the 964 exhaust ports are considerably larger than the SSI units) Since the car will no longer have heavy bumpers and other paraphenalia, the performance will be pretty nice, but not like the no-smog-required 73 and earlier cars with 3.6 implant. (See Jack Olsen's car on that issue) But you will enjoy good a/c, ventilation, power steering, etc. Up grades to the suspension can be made of course and the result will be a car that outhandles any similarly equipped early car. Your choice of how you want your Porsche- this stuff is always fun! Good luck

Hi Dave, sounds like you have done a bit of this stuff already!.
Can you give a rough break down of that $10,000 or was it a ball park figure?.
Have you heard of any good shops on the east Coast who specialise in this kind of thing?.
I imagine to get the 'RS -look' you would need a long hood, possibley new front wings and a new tail lid to fit the duck tail on.
As for the wheels, I would probableyb skip the custom Fuchs as they would probabley be more than BBS LM's.
thanks in advance of any help
rgds Ben

Well, a gold star to me - I did remember how the 934 looked - much "angrier" than an IROC 74RSR. THanks for posting the pics.

I do prefer the RSR. Pity I am dreaming (real or replica).

Cam