I don't think he was beat down for owning a 912 but more for his chatroom speak, which got in the way of trying to understand what the heck he was trying to share.

As I pointed out, the Pelican group is a close knit "family" and seems to sense when someone is trying to "play" us. Some thought it was a joke and pointed out what we thought was a troll.

In the end, I think he was just a poor guy who got caught up in the excitement of owning a Porsche which turned out to be a rip off. I feel for him and would hope that he makes the best of the situation.

Who knows, maybe this will lead to him getting the car straightened out and he can enjoy it.


Personally, I don't give a crap if he comes back or not. If he does, I'll help him out. If not, whatever. Life goes on.:rolleyes:

Playa's not such a fragile tot, sure he got a little ribbing, but he's a big boy and everyone here will help him when he needs it.

"stylin thru college"?
"Ill make some doh and make it kick ass fast"?
Chicks at college dont care how fast it is just how it looks at "da club"?

For sure, correct your grammar on this site. I think I cracked a rib from laughing!!!


Seriously though, would you hand in an assignment without doing some research on it first? "Do your homework" before buying, would be the best advice you could be given.
Anyways, you're doing pretty good for a car at your age.

I have a solar flashlight that I need to sell! Where do you live???

#9126000003
 

Again, is it possible to see a photo of the VIN plate? While some here have given you some grief about your linguistic talent, you may, in fact, have a car that Porsche has no known documentation on.
1976 912E's VIN's 1-10 have, I believe, never been documented, only #11 exists and is known. So after all the grief, you may actually have a somewhat rare car. Post the VIN if possible and post on the 912BBS site. Ask Aric, as he has a detailed VIN history of all known 912E's.

mmmmmmmmmmm Popcorn time. :)

humm.....

Rick V...can you get me a bag of popcorn too please? ....:D

For what it's worth, Playa did take the advice of this group and post on the 914 forum ( http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-914-914-6-technical-forum/470919-need-help-getting-more-power-my-912e.html ) They are also referring him to the 912 forum. Seems like a nice kid who will hopefully learn from the experience.

Moderators? Can you get wrid of that rubbish exchange above please? It adds zero to Playa's thread, which reads well enough without it.

I had my doubts too, but it's a fun post and looks like he's learning lots already; just like the BBS is all about.

Almost as entertaining as some of the OT threads! Ha, ha.
8 flippin pages of reading posts to get to this????

Hey Playa,
If your coming back and real, which I guess you are, then welcome.

I started off my Porsche ownership much worse than you (944), so hang in there, it can only get better. You're a young kid (considering I'm a grandpa) and if you like the car, cool. All you need to do is swap out the motor with something more 911ish. Lots of good deals on used rebuilt 911 engines and the work can be alot of fun. Starting off with a $5K shell isn't so bad. But owning a Porsche *is* expensive, especially as you upgrade to 400HP+ ;)

Hang in there!
Lots to learn here.

Playa calls us snobs.....LOL...im rolling here.....

Well, I've watched this train wreck for a while now. I bit my tongue though...wanting to see Playa play it for a bit.

If I had posted though, i think it would have been more reserved. One thing is certain: the Pelican board won't hold this thread up as a shining example of "how to do it".

Regarding him calling us snobs, can you cite the post #? I missed that.

I think that, possibly, (assuming he's real) he's an slightly ignorant guy (ignorant not being an insult...he's just not that well informed) who's background and still in formation "tastes" don't align with the middle ground here, but, his enthusiasm was strong. It's really a shame to dump on that. Having youth in a group makes it more well rounded, and it seems like that's something positive. Apparently, that ship has sailed.


When I first saw the thread, i thought it could result in either two of negative outcomes, or one positive;
1- it's a farce and somebody has a good chuckle at the boards expense. no harm done. Internet fun.
2- it's for real, and the board alienates a future porshe guy.

To my eye, I'd far prefer #1.

Of course, we could have been nice, gotten a positive outcome and made a new friend......

I think with any community you need to show respect for the community before you can expect to receive any back. I think both Playa and some of the regulars here could have handled themselves better, but IMO maintaining the quality of discussion on this board is more important than accommodating one outlier.

Anyhow, that's the perspective from a new member, and lateapex I'll be your new friend :-p

Wuzzup PLAYAZ!!! :D ...Im back from a long weekend of partys and clubbin...sounds like yall missed me. Nah none of the slam downs effect me...I can dish it out too...check the "snob" call out on the 914 chatroom LOL! ;)

OK now Ill switch back to adult writing.

I made a mistake on the VIN its 9126000030. I checked it again and I wrote it down wrong the first time.

Found out I have Brosol carbs...anybody know of any good books on those?

You can certainly find information on Brosols by doing a Web search, though I don't know if anybody has actually done a book on 'em.

Offer him $3K shipped.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/471029-1973-911t-2-4l.html

won't make your car a rocket ship, but that motor and some lighter wheels would make a real difference for relatively short money. and you've got the advantage of the 7:31 diff going for you.

I was one of the first PP members to comment on this thread...and here we are with over 7,000 VIEWS?!?!

Playa doesn't give a rats pooper about this thread anymore, and yet I'm caught in it's damn vortex!! WTH?


LMAOROTF!!! :D

you're ok playa..........

this car has to be 9126000040
 

can you check your vin again for us? its 30 like you say, then either someone stole it and put a different vin on your car for only god knows what reason, you need new glasses, or youre playing a joke on us. im not calling you a troll fwiw, nor am i pointing fingers, im just saying none of this has added up to the vin you gave us. in my opinion, i believe your story, but it sounds like somthing fishey is going on with your recent purchase and we just want to help you get to the bottom of this. if you can post a pic of the vin it would be great to clear everything up for us 912 enthusiests as well. we just want to know what you really have for our own tracking purposes too. check the vin in several places -dash, door jam, under the hood, maybe even behind the dash if you want to take it apart, to make sure its not a chop. please let us know your findings :)

the 912E enthusiests on the 912bbs.org have been tracking and saving pics of every 912E they come across. only 2000 were ever made, so they have been dedicated to documenting as many as they can.


here is the thread on teh 912bbs.org where we have been following the action here. http://912bbs.org/index.php?a=thread&p=209639

summing up the thread, here are their findings.

here is the pic of your engine that you posted to pelican, and a pic of 040's engine from when it was on sale a few years back.


there is also the bodies..

for reference here is the car that you posted in this thread as the car you just purchased

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1240527529.jpg

here are pics that aric, a 912E expert and historian undertaking the task of tracking every 912 has. notice the wheels, the color etc. 040 was in GA, so its plausable it made its way into your hands in NC. the whale tale and mirrors must have been painted white to match.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3345/...ff255b.jpg?v=0


here is 030, which looks nothing like teh car you have. it is black on black w/ fuchs.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3581/...f3b6ce.jpg?v=0

PS, we would love for you to post more about yoru car on the 912bbs.org. its a great comunity, and everyone is very helpful with solving problems, troubleshooting, documenting repairs and common fixes, helping eachother with parts requests, or where to find teh right parts as well giving advice and recomendations. it is a great resource for these cars, and the people there are some of the nicest and most knowledgable people about 912s and porsches in general that you will ever meet.




Harry

Yup thats obviously my car 040...I hit the wrong key on the keyboard twice! :mad: Im dislexic and have a really hard time with numbers...its a problem when writing numbers down and also if I hit the wrong key when typing I have a hard time noticing it to fix it. Sorry bout that.

I cant believe you keep track of every 912E built...thats amazing! Are these cars that much of a collectable? Maybe I dont feel so ripped off now.

Playa,

Like many porsches they are collectible if kept in original condition, 912E's are a collectible car by a dedicated group, you would not get a huge price for the car from the general public because it is a 912E.

By the way you should have by now googled jake raby and found out how much power can be made from your engine type (type 4), or otherwise have considered the 911 swap, which there was a good one for sale posted for you.

Good luck!

Chris in Aus

Hi Playa,

I think the car looks fine, the wheels, though not to everyone's taste are actually Strosek I believe. They are pretty high quality, and would look good on a 964 / 993. It is kind of an updated version of the teledials.

Enjoy your Porsche

Thanks

Prithvi

the 2nd pic look like the tags are from florida....

Playa-

If you wanted to pursue, I believe a judge might find in your favor if the car was presented as a 911. If you can get the seller to admit that he sold it as a "base 911" you would have him- as you now know the 912 is actually a different model.

If it were me- I would find a lawyer to send him a certified letter to start (this is cheap to do). If it appears you have engaged in legal counsel he may buy the car back. This is good practice as a car guy anyways as it keeps pressure on bad guys in the business. You might be helping prevent another guy from getting ripped-off.

He may renegotiate price instead of a total buy-back as well.

If you still decide to keep the car, your best money spent is to do as folks are saying here- put on some more reasonable wheels, and drive the thing. Take her into the mountains and get a feel for the handling. I think you'll be surprised at how tossable it is.

Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but if you emailed with the seller prior to purchase using the same poor grammar you started here with, you certainly didn't help your case. He may have read you as someone lacking the sophistication to know what he was buying and was more likely to pull a fast one on you.

You're in college now, and your recent posts demonstrate that you can in fact converse intelligently. I would make sure I do that from now on- wherever the forum/chatroom.

'Nuff said- the next pics we want to see are you with that car in the mountains!

Hey Prithvi...thanks for the head up on my Strosek rims...I googled them and they ARE expensive and alloys not heavy cheap steel rims. This thread is getting too long so Im gonna post what I found out about my rims in a new post. I still say my rims are bad azz and Im keepin em! :)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1240928361.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1240928393.jpg

To everyone that says he got ripped off, how much should a 912e in that condition go for? If he decided to sell those rims (assuming they're not fakes) how much could he get back?

Miami Craig's List. $1K.

oh shiet Shaun....give him a little credit...LOL... Playa just assume it was a 911 he bought, he only notice when he saw the title of the vehicle....;)

LOL, no, I think he did sort of OK, $5K for the car actually. I think the wheels are very Miami and some other kid down there will scoop them up for $1K.

In my math world, and this assumes the car is relatively fine, no major rust, etc.:

$5000 for the car
-$1000 for the wheels
-$2000 for the motor (with good leakdown #s)
+$1800 for 7x9x16s
+$6500 for a 3.2

Net on a kickass IROC would be $10,300 or so. Throw in some front Carrera calipers/rotors for $450 and you'd have a real car for reasonable money.

the price was probably right for a 912E in this condition. 4-5K would be my estimate.

the 912Es are not very collectable (except those low mile unmolested pristine examples do fectch decent money), but those who follow them are fanatic. the 912 on the other hand has become quiet collectable and prices have gone way up in the last 5 years.

what ever happened to cavat empator? and buyers resonsibility to do their leg work before they buy. anyone who would have done 10 mins of research would have seen that they did not have a 911 engine in the back, and anyone who saw the title as a 912E instead of a 911 should have seen the red flag and walked away.

no doubt that he got screwed, and my heart goes out to him for this bad situation, but he also let himself get screwed, and needs to take responsibility for his purchase

Shaun,
No offense, but you forgot about oil cooling +$1500 and an oil tank and lines +$500, labor +$2k to $5k, does the 912 run the same T-bars, I suspect not? +$500
Wiring harness for 3.2 + $500
Rust repair + $500 to $7500

Playa,
Just drive it, as is, after having a proper aircooled 911 mechanic thoroughly check it out and service it. Leave college with as little debt as possible.

Doug

none taken Doug, forgot about the cooling. I think he were lucky and patient, he could get away with:

used lines + front cooler: $800
oil tank: $150 (I've got 2 I can't get rid of)
new lines: $200 (should look those up)

torsion bars, probably has 19/24s, if not, stock bars are free or close to on Classifieds

I know of 2 3.2s for $5500 that come with the harness and DME, that shouldn't be a problem.

and he's got skilz, this Playa's gonna do all his own wrenching.

But yeah, your last advice is the best, just drive it, but he's gonna have to get a bud vase and subscription to 1-800 FLOWERS. :D

good point Noah. how's this? the Playa gets 10 of his girls to show up in bikinis on swap day to hand tools to any number of 40+ year old experienced Pelicans actually doing the work.

I'm in!! :D

im in too....i 'll watch....mean work...lol

I would suggest you confront the seller by knocking robustly on the door of his residence and say this to him:

Sir, I am aggrieved by your nonchalant disinterestedness towards a refund.

Thou arrogant earth-vexing promise-breaking rogue!

If you don't get a refund with those $10 words, I would set the car on fire, drive towards his house, jump out the last second and enjoy the ensuing calamity.

+1


Plymouthcolt you're killing me!

rotflmao!!

It's time to remind ourselves that not everyone is a P-car fan. If someone tells you a car is a 951 and the title says 944 Turbo, do you walk away? Or they tell you it's a 930 and the title says 911 Turbo, do you walk? Face it, all the 9-1-this and 9-1-that is bewildering to newbies. When BMW guys start talking about E32s and Mopar guys with their A-bodies, my eyes glaze over. Fact is, a $5K Porsche is $5K. Unless it's a 924/944, it's a given you're taking a risk. I'd say for that money, a PPI isn't worth it, because you already know there's going to be issues. I'd say Playa got himself a cheap car he can wrench on and learn and make mistakes on, so for his next Porsche, he'll be better off than a guy who memorizes a buyer's guide and goes in with a wad of cash.