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rattlsnak 06-21-2009 07:01 PM

It begins again.. Project 964, part 1
 
Well after a year or so without a p-car it was time to get another project. I couldnt decide between a 993 and a 964 but since I already had 2 993's, I decided to go with a 964. The initial goal was to either find a 965, or get a 964 and make it into a 965 clone. Well, 965 rollers are a little hard to come by, so i went with a 964 roller that had right front damage. This was a complete car, minus eng, trans and seats and a few body pieces that i figured i wouldn't use because of the widebody intentions. While I was doing the bodywork I was on the hunt for 965 parts, like eng, trans, bumpers, wheels, etc. and two things happened. Someone posted a thread about 964 cup cars with a ton of pics and I really like the way the narrow body cars looked, but more importantly, I quickly realized that the 965 route would literally cost ALOT more $$$ to do it right. And every 911 Ive had, with the exception of the 993s, has been a widebody and I simply don't have the extra funds at the moment, so it will be just a nice 964, with some Cup car features! i can always flair it out later if the need arises.
Anyway, here are some pics of the initial disassembly:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639584.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639595.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639605.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639613.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639684.jpg

rattlsnak 06-21-2009 07:02 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639718.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639727.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639736.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639745.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639764.jpg

Jagshund 06-21-2009 07:04 PM

Is that car from the Atlanta area?

rattlsnak 06-21-2009 07:04 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639807.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639823.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639836.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245639848.jpg

Elombard 06-21-2009 07:06 PM

Subscribed...I am thinking about buying a welder and start practicing so I can be more like Mark :-)

rattlsnak 06-21-2009 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1968Cayman (Post 4735932)
Is that car from the Atlanta area?

No, it came from Oklahoma..

Jagshund 06-21-2009 07:08 PM

It's not the welder that will set you back- it's going out and finding the most expensive helmet that really hurts!!

Jagshund 06-21-2009 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rattlsnak (Post 4735939)
No, it came from Oklahoma..

It looks like one I saw up in Cumming . . . except for the damage. Is it bent?

Jack Olsen 06-22-2009 09:42 AM

Good to see you back at work, Rattlsnak. Subscribed.

jackb911 06-22-2009 09:48 AM

Subscribed as well...love those 964's, especially the white ones!

Kemo 06-22-2009 09:55 AM

subscribed...anxious to see the techniques for straightening (sp?) out that sheet metal. Thanks for posting.

Porsche_monkey 06-22-2009 09:59 AM

Been there. Fixed that.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/352616-body-guys-i-need-help.html

rattlsnak 06-22-2009 07:27 PM

Monkey - Oh, Ive been there and done that a just a few times :D

JackB, It wont be white for long..

Yes, it was bent..but not really that bad. If you look at the passenger side inner frame rail you can see a kink in it underneath the washer bottle bracket. After I got it apart, up on the frame rack it went... Here is where some issues arose.. I have the factory service manuals, and I have the frame rack specs and they were both different, so I figure, use the factory stuff right? Well, just to be sure, I posted a thread asking for other owners to get a measurement on their cars, and after about 5-6 of those, and 4-5 of my own on various other cars locally, I came to the conclusion that they were both wrong??? Were not talking about much here, but the main difference was the the measurement between the shock tower bolts. Both of the specs were about 20mm apart and all the cars I got were all 10mm short of the longest spec, or basically 10mm long of the shorter spec, or right in the middle of the two specs from the manuals. Hmmm, what to do now?? Well I ended up going right in the middle, or exactly where the 10 or so cars I measured off the street were. So the pulling began... A few tugs here and there and it was done. For the corner piece, I got a piece off of another car and patched it in, then installed a new fender, hood, bumper rebar, etc, and gave it a final tug to square everything up side to side and its done!!!

Here are some more pics...


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245727566.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245727581.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245727596.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245727612.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245727629.jpg

Jagshund 06-22-2009 07:33 PM

If this car is back on the road before mine, I'm never going to speak to you again.

Porsche_monkey 06-23-2009 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1968Cayman (Post 4738034)
If this car is back on the road before mine, I'm never going to speak to you again.

Seems likely your vow of silence will be tested.

Sunroof 06-23-2009 04:23 AM

Face it Marc, it always has been your destiny!

Hey, is the M3 for sale?!

Bob

Bill Verburg 06-23-2009 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rattlsnak (Post 4738023)
Monkey - Oh, Ive been there and done that a just a few times :D

JackB, It wont be white for long..

Yes, it was bent..but not really that bad. If you look at the passenger side inner frame rail you can see a kink in it underneath the washer bottle bracket. After I got it apart, up on the frame rack it went... Here is where some issues arose.. I have the factory service manuals, and I have the frame rack specs and they were both different, so I figure, use the factory stuff right? Well, just to be sure, I posted a thread asking for other owners to get a measurement on their cars, and after about 5-6 of those, and 4-5 of my own on various other cars locally, I came to the conclusion that they were both wrong??? Were not talking about much here, but the main difference was the the measurement between the shock tower bolts. Both of the specs were about 20mm apart and all the cars I got were all 10mm short of the longest spec, or basically 10mm long of the shorter spec, or right in the middle of the two specs from the manuals. Hmmm, what to do now?? Well I ended up going right in the middle, or exactly where the 10 or so cars I measured off the street were. So the pulling began... A few tugs here and there and it was done. For the corner piece, I got a piece off of another car and patched it in, then installed a new fender, hood, bumper rebar, etc, and gave it a final tug to square everything up side to side and its done!!!

Here are some more pics...


Nice job, it's great to see these put back into useable shape.

JMO, but leave it white, that car would be a great candidate for an RS or Cup recreation

500_19B 06-23-2009 09:03 AM

I am really looking forward to following this. Usually it is 3.2 Carreras or earlier in these sorts of threads.

Looking at the partially-disassembled car really brings home to me just how "new" these cars were compared to the Carreras. Everything under the skin looks vastly different.

Elombard 06-23-2009 09:18 AM

They doo look good in white....What color are you thinking?

ninesixfour 06-23-2009 09:22 AM

Subd.


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