There is no discussion to be had.

Ed, or anyone else who has actually tried both the RB and SW chips, which would you say would be best for auto-cross? I.e., where crisp throttle response and mid-range torque are more important than absolute peak power?

I have been leaning towards a SW chip as he is local and will re-tune his chip after a dyno run for optimizing A/F ratios. Does Russell offer re-calibration post dyno?

BTW, my car has a stock 3.2 with only a K&N and, soon, I hope, an M&K 1 in, 2 out exhaust w/ a pre-muffler. The chip will be the last piece of the engine puzzle.

I believe that Russell will retune as well. Having Steve local to you is a plus though.

Right now, my RB chip is probably stronger at bottom end and a flatter tq curve via seat of pants. I like my SW chip at the track as it performs better at the higher range.

[QUOTE=rfloz;5004590]BTW, my car has a stock 3.2 with only a K&N and, QUOTE]

This is the same setup I have, (plus a cat-delete), and I can tell you that the RB chip is noticibly stronger than stock from 3-5500RPM, that last 700 or so RPM it's hard to tell. I will at some point do some 2nd gear 1500RPM to redline (aprox 20-60MPH), pulls to see exactly how much inprovement it's made. I don't have access to a dyno, but at least this will tell me what improvements are being realized.

I think efhughes3 experience is as valid as anything I've seen in this thread so far. Keep in mind that we're not talking about huge gains, and that "power under the curve" is what most of us want.

To everyone on this thread,
I appologize to make it sounds like personal. I usually a very nice person and aften get mellow because I do understand each person have his own opinion/thought, but this time it was obvious that Ed attacked me, one after another, for no reason beside showing off his egotistic, with no relevant support idea nor explanation.

tony9704,
Hope you got the answer.

Ed,
It's all clear now. My points are proven. You can be egotistic all you want, but stop thrashing people.

You really do not comprehend the English language, do you? You obviously have some kind of blockage or only read what you want to read. :rolleyes:

Gentlemen Please.........enough already.

Too sad, an egotistic wants to show off himself but has no elevant point, keep going off topic to find the reason to attack again and again but loser is still a loser. What's good to be english native without knowing how to support idea in his writing? hoho. This will be the last thing I spend time to teach the loser.

Very sorry for this to happen guys.

Well, now that the BS is gone, back to topic.

The really hot setup would be to have the different maps on the new multi-board. They really can be mission specific. As I stated earlier, both the SW and RB chips certainly have their merits, and behave differently when put into the DME out of the box. I know Steve will custom tune, ideally in person on a dyno, but I think Russell can too. Obviously this can get more expensive and logistics come into play, unless one lives right near one of the tuners.

So, we have two more-or-less "personalized" versions of what these guys feel works best which are fairly economical for us, who are basically "hobbyists". My belief is that both are better than what one can get via someone like Autothority. Maybe the multi-board can be considered the hardware, and the owner can then treat the different chips as software which is licensed to run on the hardware once one purchases the chip from SW or RB? That would be my goal, to get the tuning I've purchased from both, on one user-selectable platform. Make sense?

Effing kids!!! :rolleyes:

Zippy seems fitting

That's what I've been thinking Ed - a plug into the DME, a harness to 2 or 3 other sockets to which you could plug in any chip you wanted, and a switch to select which socket. Don't know if that's do-able hardware-wise, but I can't see any software license issues. I'd do it in a heartbeat. While I like my new RB chip for general use, I miss my SW for high-speed aggressive driving.

RB's multi-chip solves the hardware issue. You can have 7 different maps on it with a microswitch to scroll through the maps. The issue really, is whether SW has a problem dropping his map off a chip that one has purchased from him, onto the RB platform. Russell has some sort of software and/or chip burner that allows a buyer of the multi-board to drop their own mapping onto one of the "slots". I just need to call him to get coached on how to do this, and then talk to Steve to make sure I'm not going misusing his data. I'm taking some time off around Christmas, sounds like a good project.....it's either that or drop my engine and reseal my LH cam tower to the head. I vote for the chip stuff!

Right - I understand how Russell's hardware works. But if you could just plug Steve's chip in, rather than transfering the program, there wouldn't be any licensing issue. That's why I'm thinking multliple sockets, which would be different hardware from what Russell offers. Just another way to accomplish the same thing.

PS - I have the same leak and I agree, chips sound like more fun.

Got it. Kind of like a "Y" or "W" adapter to the socket in the DME.

Since it was mentioned earlier, I though I'd share my experience with a MAF/chip combo. Specifically the new Gekkatec MAF and Steve Wong Chip dyno'd.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/450874-new-911-product-pre-announcement-5.html#post5004928

I would be very curious at the dyno results of the MaxHP chip using a Gekkatec MAF. Let me know if you need a test subject! ;)

OK boys.....If you can't tell this is my first post on Pelican.

First off: Ed is a total stud that knows what he is talking about. We are friends both on and off the boards.

Second: Ron (rnln) is also a friend on and off the boards. He works just down the street and I have to say is a cool guy in person.

If you want background on Ron's friend he refers to see my thread on rennlist called "secret opps. This is not a technical thread on chips"...

....anyway guys, I'm off to take a drive to Carlsbad with my wife and imaginary friend Roger.

Please refer all questions to Lorenfb as he too is an expert on chips :roflmao:

If you want my opinion on chips see Ed's. I've had both and Ed is correct. (as always) :D

Doug, Welcome to the "Dark Side" as Loren would say.

Chips have long been a lightning rod for posts here. This is still pretty mild compared to the old posts with Loren. I see Loren is still trying to stir things up over on Rennlist and taking pot shots at Wayne as well. He got banned here...even though he checks in here all the time.

Just my experience with SteveW's chips and service has been great. He helped to find a mistake I made and I am getting 258hp from my engine with a custom chip from my SW chip. I believe there is a little more to be had from the engine as well. Won't be dynoing until next spring.

There is room for competition as this normally makes for better product and more choices. Just like the wheel choices for our cars is a great thing.

douglas Who??http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/lol2.gif

:rolleyes:

Everyone that knows me knows that Loren's war on chips is what kept me out of here. I'll pop in from time to time to see if the water is warm now that I know he is gone.

....besides, I've got pictures of Hester to post.