Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 911 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
juicersr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wilmington,NC
Posts: 2,425
Garage
Carrera speed/reference sensor replacement - partial drop required?

Getting ready to replace the two Speed/ Reference sensors (ones at front near tranny bellhousing) on the Carrera and was wondering if a partial drop is needed, or if there a technique for doing it without? Also going to replace cylinder head temp sensor as well.

Thanks.

__________________
'79 930/934 replica
80 RSR-look(Now in Sicily)
914/6 2.7 (Projekt 908/3)
1965 Karman Ghia-Class winner 2007 Carrera Panamericana/Ducati 900ss/GhezziBrian STW
D-Zug Produkte/D-Zug.com
Old 10-30-2009, 11:09 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Registered
 
burgermeister's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Springfield
Posts: 2,170
Garage
Relatively easy to do. Work ref sensors out slowly. Use a wood stick or dowel to work grommet back in.

CHT, just clip wire and use a socket.

Requires removing LR Wheel and jacking up car, that's about it.
__________________
'88 Coupe Lagoon Green
"D'ouh!" "Marge - it takes two to lie. One to lie, and one to listen"
"We must not allow a Mineshaft Gap!"
Old 10-30-2009, 12:17 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Get off my lawn!
 
GH85Carrera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 84,964
Garage
It is a good idea to replace sensors & cylinder head temps sensor all at once. I went ahead and did my O2 sensor as well. All of them had been in there for years.

You do NOT have to do a partial drop. You have to have strong fingers and patience. It ain't fun but it should not take more than an hour.

Put some grease on the rubber grommet to get it back into place.
__________________
Glen
49 Year member of the Porsche Club of America
1985 911 Carrera; 2017 Macan
1986 El Camino with Fuel Injected 350 Crate Engine
My Motto: I will never be too old to have a happy childhood!
Old 10-30-2009, 12:46 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered
 
juicersr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wilmington,NC
Posts: 2,425
Garage
Thanks fellas!!!!
__________________
'79 930/934 replica
80 RSR-look(Now in Sicily)
914/6 2.7 (Projekt 908/3)
1965 Karman Ghia-Class winner 2007 Carrera Panamericana/Ducati 900ss/GhezziBrian STW
D-Zug Produkte/D-Zug.com
Old 10-30-2009, 01:26 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Green Skull 006
 
Jim Garfield's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 2,040
As others have posted you don't need to drop the engine, but you do need to modify a deep socket (I'll have to check which one) by cutting a slot for the wire. IIRC I also had to bend the engine tin a bit to get something in or out. It was a while ago that I did mine.

There are some pretty good threads regarding changing the sensors that will save you some grief if you do a search first.
__________________
S Reg 823 R Gruppe 246
1955 pre-A Carrera Speedster...x 1974 leichtbau..."Sascha"
"It makes me sad. Our cars were meant to be driven, not polished" - Ferry Porsche while surveying a PCA Parade concours field.
Old 10-30-2009, 01:28 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Green Skull 006
 
Jim Garfield's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 2,040
It's a deep 14mm socket that I made a slot with a grinder for the wire.
__________________
S Reg 823 R Gruppe 246
1955 pre-A Carrera Speedster...x 1974 leichtbau..."Sascha"
"It makes me sad. Our cars were meant to be driven, not polished" - Ferry Porsche while surveying a PCA Parade concours field.
Old 10-30-2009, 04:35 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
Checked out
 
McLovin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: On a beach
Posts: 10,127
As said above, no engine drop necessary.

I agree, it's a good time to also do the CHT sensor, ESPECIALLY if your car still has the old 1 wire style CHT sensor.

You don't need the slot grinded socket for the speed and reference sensors, you do need it for the CHT. (Some people do it without, but cutting the wire on the old one, using a regular socket to get it out, then using needle nose pliers to put the new one in. I wouldn't be comfortable with that, I don't think you could tighten it enough with needle nose).

Also, the CHT sensor can be either 14mm or 13mm. I just did my car, and the old one was 14mm (single wire), but the replacement, 2 wire version was 13mm.
Old 10-30-2009, 04:53 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
muck-raker
 
kidrock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Coastal PNW
Posts: 3,059
don't forget to add a smidgen of anti-seize compound on the threads of the new CHT sensor during install.
__________________
STONE
'88 Cabriolet, using EP Slick 20w50 partial synthetic Snake Oil...just as Rommel intended.

Deny Everything; Admit Nothing; and Always Make Counter-accusations
Old 10-30-2009, 06:38 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered
 
juicersr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wilmington,NC
Posts: 2,425
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Garfield View Post
It's a deep 14mm socket that I made a slot with a grinder for the wire.
Thanks. It's this kind of info that makes all the difference in the world when doing these projects.
__________________
'79 930/934 replica
80 RSR-look(Now in Sicily)
914/6 2.7 (Projekt 908/3)
1965 Karman Ghia-Class winner 2007 Carrera Panamericana/Ducati 900ss/GhezziBrian STW
D-Zug Produkte/D-Zug.com
Old 10-31-2009, 05:22 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Norcross, GA
Posts: 627
I seem to remember some people having problems getting their CHT out and it was recommended to not clip the wire right off just in case you run into trouble.
__________________
'85 RoW 911 Coupe
'65 356 SC
'72 BMW 2002Tii
'10 Cayenne
'20 Ram Longhorn
Old 10-31-2009, 06:16 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
muck-raker
 
kidrock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Coastal PNW
Posts: 3,059
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomphot View Post
I seem to remember some people having problems getting their CHT out and it was recommended to not clip the wire right off just in case you run into trouble.
It's actually probably easier to clip the wire. It's true that the CHT sometimes may be "seized" in the hole, and may need liberal use of PB blaster or whatever. But with the wires clipped, it's easier to get a good grip on the sensor itself. IIRC, you need a 14mm deep socket to remove it.
__________________
STONE
'88 Cabriolet, using EP Slick 20w50 partial synthetic Snake Oil...just as Rommel intended.

Deny Everything; Admit Nothing; and Always Make Counter-accusations
Old 10-31-2009, 06:34 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Registered
 
burgermeister's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Springfield
Posts: 2,170
Garage
Might be a 13mm deep socket for removal? I vaguely remember needing a different size than for installation ...

__________________
'88 Coupe Lagoon Green
"D'ouh!" "Marge - it takes two to lie. One to lie, and one to listen"
"We must not allow a Mineshaft Gap!"
Old 10-31-2009, 06:16 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
 
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:08 PM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.