Yet another repro Fuchs wheel

[dvkk]

This time it's Deep 6s!

FLAT4/FLAT4 Original Products -Wheel parts-

[sc_rufctr]

They look good. Better than some repros.

[palle7688]

aren't those cast not forged.
I would not recommend those unless it's for a show only car.

[dvkk]

They are just as safe as any stock wheel on any Japanese car.

Perhaps you missed this:

"passing the strict"JWL" and "VIA" authorization standards."

[88-diamondblue]

Any idea how much they are?

[palle7688]

"They are just as safe as any stock wheel on any Japanese car.

Perhaps you missed this:

"passing the strict"JWL" and "VIA" authorization standards."


I do not know "JWL" or "VIA"
But if they are made in same dimensions as the forged Fuchs, these replicas will not be as strong and thats my point.
I've had a Fuchs replica wheel break while I was on the freeway, cost me plenty more than any original Fuchs.

[porschenut]

Originally Posted by palle7688

"They are just as safe as any stock wheel on any Japanese car.

Perhaps you missed this:

"passing the strict"JWL" and "VIA" authorization standards."


I do not know "JWL" or "VIA"
But if they are made in same dimensions as the forged Fuchs, these replicas will not be as strong and thats my point.
I've had a Fuchs replica wheel break while I was on the freeway, cost me plenty more than any original Fuchs.

So what? How do you know a forged Fuchs would have survived?

Aside from the Fuchs forged alloys, what other factory stock Porsche wheels are forged? As far as I know, they are all cast (including the stock ones on my 997S which I have tracked, and the original phone dials that I tracked on my 86 911 many times). So to say that a cast wheel shouldn't be used except on a show car is ridiculous.

[Kevin Stewart]

Amen porschenut, im thinking i should stop driving my AMG because it has oe cast wheels. LOL, Kevin

[palle7688]

No, sir, you miss my point.
I do not know for sure which other Porsche or other wheels are forged and it does not matter. If they are cast from the factory they have calculated that into the dimensioning and styling of the wheel.
What matters is that if you have a forged wheel and make a replica in the same dimension it will for sure be weaker.
All I'm saying is that I had one break and I'll not recommend them, if you will take the risk it's up to you.
Read Bruce Anderson "performance handbook" he has a picture of a broken cast replica in it for a reason.
I could show you a picture of mine, or search my earlier posts, I'm sure I've posted it before.

[Kevin Stewart]

first im not for or against cast or none cast, What I am against is the broken wheel post. usually reads i broke a wheel at the track or on the free way.

I have worked with wheels many years and dont have the answers. But this is what i know i was at the track with a freind he breaks a wheel and is just talking crap until i told i was right behind and told he hit every turtle and dropped the wheel off the pavement at every curve, he changed his tune, on another occasion a freind tells me the wheel just broke going down the road, i drove to the location and low and behold a 2 foot crater. i had 993 replicas on a sc i hit a chuck hole so bad it broke the shock mount, it was the worse bent wheel any of us had ever seen(we all worked in wheels/tires) but didnt break, we kept it on display for ever at the shop.

So if you break a wheel ok we understand that sucks, but please tell us more about what had happen before it broke, like what you hit was the car in a wreck a month before they broke etc this will help everyone to understand the possiblilty that they could have a damaged wheel. So please dont say i was just doin 40mph and it broke. Kevin

[slow&rusty]

Originally Posted by palle7688

aren't those cast not forged.
I would not recommend those unless it's for a show only car.

Please please shut-up you have no idea what you are talking about. Most wheels are cast.

Here are $1500 per wheel...one of the most expensive wheels you can buy...put these on your "show car"
We all know it's "fashionable" to bash cast wheels, though ... but all wheels can fail.

[Todd Simpson]

Look at the back of the wheel...this replica is not made to the same dimensions of the original.

[1980 911 sc]

wow what a collection of happy folks we have here! jeeez.

I think the thing to think about is not cost of the wheel or raw material it is made out of, but more about if you beleive the that the engineering behind the wheel itself is sound. Did the company putting out the product do the due diligence? Is the design of the product really for your intended use? and finally, do you trust the company manufacturing it? If you aren't sayign yes to all three, i would concider keep looking...

[palle7688]

slow&rusty,
No I'll not shut up.
Read the hole thing, think and write. How do you know what I know?
I specifically wrote when cast in same dimensions as the forged wheel.
Cast wheel in the same dimensions as the forged are weaker, right?
I don't care about what you paid for those wheels, maybe they have been over priced? Even BBS Le Mans wheels break, when used for racing.
How did your wheel break? Had an accident, ofcause they can break. Was this the cause? If it was, I rest my case about using cast wheel in same dimensions as the forged.
I do not find it fashionable to bash on cast wheels, they are fine, if they are designed as cast wheels.

I've seen original Fuchs wheels with cracks in the center, when welded up to a 11" wide wheel, so yes, they'll break as well. I must admit this was on a racingcar.
I have the same problem when "xx company" makes a 6x16 Fuchs wheel center into a 11x17" it just wasn't designed for that.
They can be used, also for racing, but for how long?
Hopefully the racing guys check they equipment often.


For the record, Kevin:
The cast wheels where on my car when I bought it and i didn't know about them. Yes, they where used for a trackday, yes, I was driving fast on the highway in a slight curve. I'm just happy I got out unhurt, the car didn't, it was a total writeoff.
Sorry I didn't check the highway for holes the next day, it was a little too late anyway.
Say, you buy the cast replicas and install them on your car and later on sell them with your car, would you tell the buyer they are replicas??
Or you crash on the highway caused by a broken cast wheel, would you tell your insurance company?
I think Porsches where ment to be driven, sometimes hard, sometimes on the track.
Many talk about Porsches as one of the few cars they can use as daily driver and take it to trackdays, well, just remember to have the wheels to do so.
I prefer to have wheels to do so when I take it to open days on the Nürburgring.
I do not know VIA or JWL. I know the German TÜV, are these wheels approved by them?

I recommend Mr Andersons fine book. Read it. He might be a tad more thrustworthy than me. It's been a known problem for a long time with these cast replicas.
I think even wayne here admits they are not for racing.

I think we will see problems with some of the older fuchs with many, many miles on them as well, especially if used for hard driving.

[palle7688]

1980 911 sc;
Exactly my point.

Todd:
I don't know these wheels. They might be ok.

I just won't recommend them for reasons better explained by "1980 911 sc"

[Kevin Stewart]

palle7688, i think you see my point and there may have not been a chuck hole, the wheels may have had impact before you got the car. regardless it could have been any wheel that was previously damaged that showed up when you got it. it could have been a real fuch, regardless the car you car replace, glad your werent hurt, Kevin

[khamul02]

These wheel debates are always sooo heated... If you don't like them don't buy them.. I run two cast and two forged.. without an issue.

That being said I run them on the street and not track.. But I drive the tar out of them on the street.. Anywho....

Continue.. I do like the back of these.. extra thick!!

[Jeff Alton]

Wheels can crack. Cast wheels, forged wheels, billet wheels, yada yada yada... wheels can crack and fail..... Trust me, I know....

Just because one uses a "forging"does not mean their wheel is superior to some other cast wheels. There are some forged wheels out there being advertised in major magazines, including Excellence, that look to have a bunch of areas with stress risers......

It is all in the design and testing.

Cheers

[dvkk]

Originally Posted by palle7688

I do not know VIA or JWL.

Then you shouldn't be passing judgement on this wheel.
Educate yourself on what these standards are.
The company that makes this wheel has been making wheels for almost 20 years. I've never seen anyone post that their wheel has failed.

[slow&rusty]

palle