engine identifcation help???

[toddc]

Hi all,
I'm trying to sort out the various bits in a project car I inheritied and I'm hoping someone can hel on the engine. I've heard about the "red book" but have yet to purchase it. In hte meantime can anyone tell me if these numbers make any sense?
engine serial number is *6532718* and the type appears to be 944/57.
From the bit of reading I've done here, The type number doesn't make sense to me.
I'm told the engine is '72 but I can't verify it. It is carburated if that helps.

TIA for any insight,

-todd

[ossiblue]

From the serial # the engine appears to be a 1973 carbed "T" Euro engine. Can't help on the type number--are you certain it's 944 and not 911? 911/57 would make it a coupe or targa engine.

[Grady Clay]

todd,

L.J. Is correct, the engine number *6532718* is for a 1973 911TV-E. That is a Zenith carbureted 911T not usually imported into the USA. The correct Type number is 911/57.

I suspect the “944/57” may be the mis-reading of the correct Type number for this engine, “911/57.” The Porsche “1” can be mistaken for a “7” or even a “4”.

You might try additional cleaning or removing some of the nearby parts.

Best,
Grady

[toddc]

It's a bit pitted and hard to be 100% certain. It surely could be 911/57.
You mention that from the SN it appears to be a '73 euro T engine. The story I'm told about the engine is that it was from a grey market '72 targa.

If that is correct, what are the specs on this motor and is it desireable?

Thanks L.J.

-Todd

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by toddc

It's a bit pitted and hard to be 100% certain. It surely could be 911/57.
You mention that from the SN it appears to be a '73 euro T engine. The story I'm told about the engine is that it was from a grey market '72 targa.

If that is correct, what are the specs on this motor and is it desireable?

Thanks L.J.

-Todd

The specs on the 72 and 73 engine are identical--2.4 liter, 130hp @ 5600 rpm for the Euro carb models. The story you got sounds plausible--the grey market part--and either the engine was replaced or the original car was a 73 model year targa manufactured in 72 (normal) or the story is wrong and the car was originally a 73.

Is the engine desirable? If you mean are these engines particularly special, then no. The desirability lies in value of having a matching engine to a car, IMO. The engine you have is appropriate for a 72 or 73 model car, though it may not be matching.

BTW, if you have the car, could you post the VIN? That may help in sorting out the story.

[toddc]

Thanks LJ.
The car is gone, accident. The car I have that this engine came in is a 79 non sunroof car adn it's vin is 911460064.
That's the shell I'm working with, just trying to determine what pieces are worth keeping. It sounds like I may want to unload the 73 engine...
Todd

[Grady Clay]

Todd,

If the ’73 911TV engine is running, keep it for a bit while you decide what to do.


Your first investigation is to assess the condition of the ’74 S/R coupe.

What extent is there any rust or prior crash damage repair?

How complete is it?

What does it need – exactly.


Most will advise for a ’78-’83 3.0 911SC or an ’84-’88 Carrera 3.2 engine. There are lots of choices but the engine should wait.

Best,
Grady

[toddc]

Originally Posted by Grady Clay

Todd,

If the ’73 911TV engine is running, keep it for a bit while you decide what to do.


Your first investigation is to assess the condition of the ’74 S/R coupe.

What extent is there any rust or prior crash damage repair?

How complete is it?

What does it need – exactly.


Most will advise for a ’78-’83 3.0 911SC or an ’84-’88 Carrera 3.2 engine. There are lots of choices but the engine should wait.

Best,
Grady

Thanks Grady,

I'm not sure if it's running or not, I'm just tearing into it. It looks as though the engine compartment is complete, but I'll need some time with it to make sure everything is there and ready to start for the first time in many moons.

What does it need, exactly? Good question, the few bits that are left in the interior are shot. Luckily, I have a complete black interior from a 964 including the interior wiring harness.
Needs a shifter, but that may be in one of the many as yet unsorted boxes of bits in the basement...
In a word, it needs everything.
I knew this was going to be a full-on resto/mod I'm not concerned about that. I'm still trying to decipher what's what.

No crash damage, some surface rust here and there fortunately none on the suspension mounts or rails.
Nothing that can't be solved on the rotisery (sp?)

I like the idea of the later engine the better, I'm curious about NA/ vs. turbo, don't know if I want to deal with the additional bits. ( read: expense)

This will bea couple of years to completion if my previous resto's of other makes are any indication...

One last thing, vin tag shows date of mfg to be 79 not 74. Unless the tag is altered or I can't read...

Thanks for your help,

Regards,
Todd

[ossiblue]

Todd,

The VIN you posted, 911460064 checks out to a 74 Carrera--car number 64. Check the VIN plate on the "A" pillar and in the trunk by the smugglers box. The manufacture date is on a punched-out sticker on the door jam so if the other VIN's match you probably misread the date. Having an early 74 Carrera body is a bit better than a normal 74, even without the engine, but if this pans out, you may wish to set your long range sights on an eventual 74 Carrera engine (case, at least).

AFIK, the 79 would not have a 6 as the fifth digit as it was not offered. Let us know what you find.

[group911@aol.co]

Wouldn't 46 have been a Euro Carrera?

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

Wouldn't 46 have been a Euro Carrera?

My point exactly! Can someone here let Todd know the relative value of a 74 Euro Carrera body vs stock U.S. 74 911?

[toddc]

Originally Posted by ossiblue

Todd,

The VIN you posted, 911460064 checks out to a 74 Carrera--car number 64. Check the VIN plate on the "A" pillar and in the trunk by the smugglers box. The manufacture date is on a punched-out sticker on the door jam so if the other VIN's match you probably misread the date. Having an early 74 Carrera body is a bit better than a normal 74, even without the engine, but if this pans out, you may wish to set your long range sights on an eventual 74 Carrera engine (case, at least).

AFIK, the 79 would not have a 6 as the fifth digit as it was not offered. Let us know what you find.

I'll cross ref the vin in the smugglers box and the a pillar.
My thinking is if this car would have more inherent value as a stockish euro carrera that may be the direction I go and then I'll buy or cut-up something else as a project.

In the meantime I'll be sorting all the bits and pieces over the next few weeks to see what's a keeper and what is not.

Thanks guys,

todd

[toddc]

Getting somewhere.
Yesterday I posted an "introduction" post where I put up the vin and a couple of pics of just how rough this car is. I'll be taking it apart methodically very soon and asessing what it will take to complete.
Here again is the vin tag for confirmation. Turns out I missed a digit when I origianlly looked at it. the vin is: 9114600664

Regards,

todd