Can Smog BS be removed?

[Leland Pate]

Is it ok to remove the smog crap on my motor?
The car is a california SC.
Right after I bought the car I removed the smog pump. And now I have plugged the air injection lines on the heads.

So the way I see it there is no need for the hard line that connects from the cross over pipe to the EGR valve. I'd also like to trash the EGR valve and just cap off the connections. Will this give me any trouble?
Not concerned about emmisions.
Still debating in my mind whether or not to go with a set of Bursch headers and some sort of dual in dual out configuration, or go with a test pipe and single in dual out setup.
Ideas?

[pwd72s]

Leland, I'd say it all depends on your local laws...also consider a possible future sale of the car to someone in an area with smog checks. I have a buddy who got "caught" that way...dumped a restrictive exhaust in favor of SSI and an older muffler. No problem then, because he lived in an Oregon county where there were no smog checks in order to get licensed. But he later sold the car to a Portland resident, where there are smog checks. You guessed it...in order to complete this sale, my buddy then had the pleasure of buying (new) all the smog bits & pieces he'd tossed a couple of years before..
So, proceed carefully if you proceed. BTW, there is a facility in Albany, OR, that rebuilds distributors...another item they've recently started rebuilding? 911SC air pumps! People placing them back on the car in order to get the car license renewed...


[This message has been edited by pwd72s (edited 06-11-2001).]

[Jdub]

Oh yes, pull that EGR crapola off for certain! I removed everything and continue to pass emissions with flying colors.

Wasn't there a thread about the Bursch being a bit loud and somewhat cheaply made? My apologies if I have this wrong, but that is my recollection. After all the HARD work you are putting into that motor I think you ought to go for the best you can afford (after your new P&Cs, that is!).

Jw, always happy to speak for your wallet!

[Jim T]

Yes, you can do all those things that you said, and the car will run fine.

It also is true, of course, that the car will no longer be smoggable in many parts of the country, if you ever plan on moving or selling it that may be a concern.

[Leland Pate]

Well I just turned 19 when I bought this car and 19 yr olds don't think that far into the future.
The smog pump is long gone. So I'm screwed anyway you look at it.

Whats the deal anyway, after a car gets to be How many yrs old? then it is exempt from the sniff nazis?

I have never had an emmisions test. I am from Tennessee and they don't have sniff tests in Putnam County. And even if they did...what would they do...make me drive 2000 miles just to get it tested?!

It's a done deal...crap is coming off...I will never sell my baby.
What should I do about the hole in the crossover pipe? weld it ip?
Thanks guys,
J, you can speak for my wallet anytime

[wckrause]

If you have to have a non-CA smog test, your biggest obsticle to passing will be the lack of a cat. Most tests call for a visual inspection for one.

I don't remember the CO and CO2 levels, but my ROW car with no emissions devices easily passed the exhaust test we used to have to take here in Minnesota.

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Bill Krause
'79 911SC Euro

[Jdub]

The backdating for exemption differs across states, so you can't know for certain. Allthesame you might do well to keep an eye out for the air pump as you sift through the classifieds, etc. Heck, you can borrow mine for your test if need be!

Jw, happy to lend his air pump, gals!

[SeaDweller]

My '78SC is a ROW car, and has nothing in the way of emissions equipment. Although they've done away with inspections here in Florida, I have the last inspection report from the state, and the car passed the emissions test with a huge amount of safety margin. The state limit on HC in PPM was 400 (the car was 44!), and the limit on CO% was 4.0 (the car was .45!).

I recall the PO saying that they questioned the "apparent" lack of a cat convertor, but he pointed out to the inspector that "the cat was integrated into the exhaust system" (the flat collector on each side looks cat-like). He was never questioned based on the number the car posted in the emissions test!

I'd be curios to know what the numbers are in my old stomping grounds, Los Angeles.

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Michael
'78 911SC Euro

[paulhagedorn]

Hey Lee,
Being that I am from west TN, I do know about the emissions testing if you are out of state, say in college, etc. If emissions are required, then you have to get your car tested where you are and send the report in to the licensing branch. Granted, I am from outside the city limits of Memphis so I never have gotten emissions tested or anything like that, but have a friend that goes to school away from home and who is from Memphis.

About seats, man I look at Jack's seats and drool! They look f'n awesome...but I don't have money floating around to buy them.

Paul

[pwd72s]

In Oregon, the test is visual as well as a sniffer. That's how my buddy got caught...non factory can equal flunk here unless the replacement parts have the blessing of pointy headed bureaucrats who for the most part aren't car guys, but followers of Joan Claybrook and Ralphie Nader. Oregon law requires the smog test in all counties with a population over a certain number...150,000? Could be wrong on the number. Oregon also offers another out, once your car reaches the ripe old age of 25, you can qualify for a "special interest car" registration. This exempts one from the smog checks. That's the route I went.
Kudos to Tenn. for not having such draconian laws...not yet anyway. Have fun with your SC. Undoubtably runs better with the smog stuff gone.

[Joe Bob]

Most of them are right.....my Mom lives in Mexico with a CA licensed car. She had to drive the thing all the way up from the tip of Baja to get the damn thing smogged. Not many smog stations in La Paz or Cabo San Lucas....

As to visual inspections, if your state does not have them. They MAY in the future....sometimes you can get away with a mechanic that has a license and no experience with them 'furrin cars....but don't count on it...so save any smog thingy you pull off.

An SC WILL pass the pipe test with a smog pump and without a cat....but not the visual...IF they look. Don't know about passing w/o the pump....

BTW...as states get more and more crowded and the cities have more motor vehicles they will adopt smog standards...the easiest way is to steal/borrow other states....that's why everyone uses CA's....

Now AZ uses our standards, but extends them all the way back to 1967 vehicles....where we NOW exempt 73 and earlier....in 2004, it will be a rolling 30 year exemption in CURRENT law. There are few Democraps that are trying to repeal it though....

Hope that helps....


MTZ
Smog Nazi

[Leland Pate]

Well I'll just yank everything and hope that by the time the liberals are done scortching the earth that my little SC will be old enough to not be noticed.

I will keep everything I have though. Thanks guys,

[epbrown]

Which leads me to ask: how old does a car have to be to be exempted in CA? Here in IL, if the car is a '76 or older, you're in the clear. It's one reason I dream of an early car replacing the '83.

Emanuel

[cab83_750]

Leland,

I have an '83 SC, living in California, and my car has no smog pump.

I pass my checks with flying colors!

[Doug Zielke]

Leland...
Resist the temptation to sell all your removed smog equipment. Just put it in a box, label it "Useless Junk", and store it away...just in case.

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Doug
'81 SC Coupe (aka: "Blue Bomber")
Canada West Region PCA
members.home.net/zielke/911SC.htm

[BaldNerd]

I just looked this up in the California regulations the other day, so I'll pass it on. Vehicles from 1973 or older are exempt from a smog check until 2004. Then it's 30 years old that counts.

So - my 1977 911S has 3 more smog checks (every 2 years). My thermal reactors (my mechanic calls them nuclear reactors) are long gone, and it passd the smog check last year, with the air pump connected, no problem.

My mechanic just pulled off the original heat exchangers - rusted and leaking - disconnected the EGR and O2 sensor, bolted on SSI heat exchangers. He says it sounds (and runs) like a new car. I'll pick it up tomorrow.

[Norm Faustino]

Bump! Just wanted to light the folder on fire.
Hee,Hee!

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78 Super Carrera

[howie944]

Leland,

Just remember all assignments are not permanent. Considering what you do for a living there may come a time where you might be stationed in a place that requires the ol smoggeroo! Take the stuff off ..enjoy..but keep it just in case! Just a thought from a retired GI!

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Howie
79SC

[RarlyL8]

Leland, the question is not CAN it be removed, but HOW FAST can you remove it.
A set of back dated heat exchangers and a nice muffler will set you back about a grand on the used market. Cheaper horsepower cannot be found.

As for Illinois smog laws, Chicago is not entire state of Illinois (although they'd like to think so). We have no checks or regs down state. I have NEVER owned a car with smog crap on it. It goes in a box as fast as I can get it off. Goes back on when I sell the car. Pisses me off to the max every time I see a semi truck belching ***** out at a rate of 100,000 miles a year. Guess we need a better lobby.