964 3.6l conversion 911sc

[NoEardGoat]

I am looking into the 3.6l conversion for my 81' 911sc. I am picking up the 964 motor this weekend and I have the opportunity to pull what I need off of the car. What should I pull off the car that will help and be useful with the swap?
I am trying to save $$ and do it this way rather than buy the whole Instant G or Patrick Motorsports kit.

Here is my list so far:
Crossmember and engine mounts
The wiring harness circuit breaker / harness holder
DME relay
Engine knock sensor
Engine Emissions sticker
Engine compartment's central electrical system
oil cooler fan relay and wiring
foam around oil cooler, bracket, horn bracket, rubber protection mud flap
oil level send w/ tank and wiring
all engine oil lines
battery?
Throttle cable
Engine wiring harness
All Vacuum hoses
Smog equipment
Alternator (I think is behind the fan stuck to engine)
Flywheel and flywheel sensor for computer
Exhaust, muffler, cat w/ O2 sensor and wiring
Power steering w/ lines
Distributors
Spark plug wires
Coils
A/C w/ lines & condenser
Engine tin
Air filter hosing, etc.
Fuel Pump, filters and lines (if not too much trouble)
Starter
DME computer and wiring harness to engine and car
Motor mounts
Oil tank
Front oil cooler, lines, fan w/ wiring harness
Cruise control module (maybe part of trans?)

[Joe Bob]

You have mail....

[jevvy]

you pretty much got the lot - make sure you get the ignitors and coils

[Bill Verburg]

Here is my list so far:
Crossmember and engine mounts - no
The wiring harness circuit breaker / harness holder - yes
DME relay - yes
Engine knock sensor -its bolted to the cylinders under the shroud, one would assume -yes
Engine Emissions sticker - why?
Engine compartment's central electrical system - can be useful
oil cooler fan relay and wiring - why?
foam around oil cooler, bracket, horn bracket, rubber protection mud flap why?
oil level send w/ tank and wiring - why?
all engine oil lines - why?
battery? - maybe
Throttle cable - probably useful
Engine wiring harness -yes
All Vacuum hoses -yes
Smog equipment _ what smog equipment?
Alternator (I think is behind the fan stuck to engine) - bolted behind the cooling fan, one would assume -yes

Flywheel and flywheel sensor for computer no & yes
Exhaust, muffler, cat w/ O2 sensor and wiring - maybe but most likely not, O2 sensor and wire could be useful
Power steering w/ lines - no
Distributors - yes
Spark plug wires -yes
Coils -yes and mounts and wire
A/C w/ lines & condenser - possibly
Engine tin -yes
Air filter hosing, etc. -yes
Fuel Pump, filters and lines (if not too much trouble) no, maybe, maybe
Starter -no, but couldn't hurt
DME computer and wiring harness to engine and car -yes
Motor mounts -no
Oil tank -not unless you have a bigger project in mind than an engine swap
Front oil cooler, lines, fan w/ wiring harness - won't fit w/o a ton of work, there are bettter solutions but you might be able to sell
Cruise control module (maybe part of trans?) likely not but you can try, no it's not part of the trans. it's to the left of the intake

The whys? are not generally used on an engine swap

[RWebb]

just grab _anything_ that there is any doubt about & sell it later. I've sold all sorts of stuff (except CV bolts) -- if you wait long enough, it will sell.

[NoEardGoat]

I will get the extra stuff that I don't for the conversion with the idea of selling it.

I was under the impression that the carrera cooler would fit without too much hassle............Isn't it covered in Wayne's 101 Projects book? I will look when I get home. I am paying an extra 500 bucks for it so I need to figure this one out pronto!

With all the wiring I am getting off the 964, will I still need to get a conversion wiring harness from one of the kits?

Thanks for all the help, keep it coming!

[RWebb]

- you threw people off by saying "front" cooler -- that usually means one in the middle of the car, at the very front & hidden by the valence

so, yes, grab the cooler (and all the mounting hardware) out of the front wheel well -- BTW, it may not be enough exchange surface for you, depending on how far you venture from the central coast...

no idea re harness conversion - I only have a puny 3.2L in my early car...

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by NoEardGoat

I will get the extra stuff that I don't for the conversion with the idea of selling it.

I was under the impression that the carrera cooler would fit without too much hassle............Isn't it covered in Wayne's 101 Projects book? I will look when I get home. I am paying an extra 500 bucks for it so I need to figure this one out pronto!

With all the wiring I am getting off the 964, will I still need to get a conversion wiring harness from one of the kits?

Thanks for all the help, keep it coming!

Don't take this the wrong way, but, you seem to be unprepared for this project.

There have been several Carreras over the years.
arbitrarily starting w/ 1973
2.7 Carrera RS used a trombone, could be used on any 911 through '89 but why would you there are better options.

in '74 the 3.9 Carrera RS came out also w/ a trombone

in '76 the Carrera 3.0 was introduced also w/ a trombone

in '84 all 911s became Carrera, this is the cooler Wayne refers to as being useful on all 911s. There were 2 versions, early tube type(not so good for most) and later radiator type w/ fan. This is the one most covet for any 911 through '89.

also in '89 the 964 was introduced to the world. 964 and 993 use different much larger oil coolers which are also oriented in the chassis differently from earlier versions. 964 orientation is fore and aft, earlier 911 was always transverse.

The 964 up coolers are not easy fits for an earlier 911 chassis. It can be done but it's a totally different arrangement.

[NoEardGoat]

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

Don't take this the wrong way, but, you seem to be unprepared for this project.

There have been several Carreras over the years.
arbitrarily starting w/ 1973
2.7 Carrera RS used a trombone, could be used on any 911 through '89 but why would you there are better options.

in '74 the 3.9 Carrera RS came out also w/ a trombone

in '76 the Carrera 3.0 was introduced also w/ a trombone

in '84 all 911s became Carrera, this is the cooler Wayne refers to as being useful on all 911s. There were 2 versions, early tube type(not so good for most) and later radiator type w/ fan. This is the one most covet for any 911 through '89.

also in '89 the 964 was introduced to the world. 964 and 993 use different much larger oil coolers which are also oriented in the chassis differently from earlier versions. 964 orientation is fore and aft, earlier 911 was always transverse.

The 964 up coolers are not easy fits for an earlier 911 chassis. It can be done but it's a totally different arrangement.

Thanks for the explanation, and the insult. I know of the model differences, just didn't realize that there was a difference in the oil cooler size and orientation between the 964 and Carrera. I just got my copy of PET yesterday. I am just picking the motor up this weekend, so I haven't even begun to dig in yet.

Is 500 dollars too much to pay for this 964 cooler, therm and lines? I would like to try and make it fit. Do you know of any references? I will do some further searching. If it won't fit I will try and sell it, as long as I can get my 500 bucks back I am happy.

Right now my car has the Euro/Turbo SC 28 tube brass cooler in the fender. I have a local buyer that wants it and is willing to pay $600. Is this a fair price?

I am thinking of going with the RUF style bumper in front with a nose cooler, but I would like to have a cooler with fan for traffic situations as well. That is why I was thinking of using the 964 fender with an aftermarket nose cooler and recouping some of the cost by selling my stock one. But if this is too much hassle I could pass on the 964 cooler and sell my stock one and invest in 2 aftermarket coolers and lines.

Too many options... Advice???????

[Joe Bob]

The brass row cooler is fine....You CAN replace it with a Carrera/Turbo one but why? It's a GREAT cooler.

You'll most likely need a second one either up front or plumbed in one the other fenderwell. It's a crap shoot, I've seen 3.6 conveersions work well with one front mounted cooler while other truley need two. Mine did, the additional lines coming off the passeneger side cooler were an easy fit.

I went wild when I mounted the front 2nd cooler and re did the whole car into a longhood.

Check your email, you should have pics by now of the muffler with the 993 HEs....

[NoEardGoat]

Mike, Got the Email thanks. Should I try and replace my brass row with the 964? Or are my worries about adding a fan unnecessary?

Here are my options:
1. Brass row cooler & nose cooler
2. Brass row cooler alone
3. 964 fender cooler w/fan alone (if it fits)
4. 964 fender cooler w/fan & nose cooler
5. 964 fender cooler w/fan & brass row in driver side fender
6. Carrera cooler w/ fan & nose cooler
7. Carrera cooler w/ fan & brass row in driver side fender

[Joe Bob]

I would just run the brass row at first....add a finned cooler later if temps climb when running hard. I used a MOCAL cooler from BAT Inc. They are on the net in Florida...they have a special Porsche section.

They can be ordered with AN fittings. Use conversion fittings to plug into the brass row cooler then run lines to the new finned one.... BAT has them and I have probably a few left in my bag of parts, Porsche metric to AN and then plumb the MOCAL with cheaper American flex hose and the AN fittings.....cuts your costs by 70%. You can order the high dollar bling bling "correct" Porsche fittings and lines with the Carrera 930 cooler set up and all that if ya want...waste of freaking money if ya ask me.

Fans are only good for stop and go driving.....I don't live in a real congested area. I have fan kit on the shelf...it's been sitting for five years....

[NoEardGoat]

I don't do much stop and go either, but the temps here get up to 110* F. This worries me some.

Is the 964 fan setup worth getting for 500 bucks and selling, or should I skip it and spend my money on a front nose cooler?

Anyone know how the MOCAL cooler fits with a RUF front bumper? Or have any experience with one that does fit well?

[Joe Bob]

They have a LOT of sizes....

[ischmitz]

The 964 cooler is extremely difficult to fit into the front of an SC unless you get a new aftermarket bumper.

Get the throttle cable and the electrical box in the engine compartment. Both are very useful. The box makes a clean look in the engine bay. And the cable is much better than bicycle hardware that comes with some kits....

Ingo

[RWebb]

don't underestimate this conversion -- it will be quite a project

[NoEardGoat]

Originally Posted by ischmitz

The 964 cooler is extremely difficult to fit into the front of an SC unless you get a new aftermarket bumper.

Get the throttle cable and the electrical box in the engine compartment. Both are very useful. The box makes a clean look in the engine bay. And the cable is much better than bicycle hardware that comes with some kits....

Ingo

I plan on getting an aftermarket bumper and running the front oil cooler, hopefully with the 964 cooler and fan. I really love this one, but haven't been able to find this exact one anywhere, note the oval brake ducts.





What year 911 is this? Kind of looks like a narrow body pre 75'.

I just did a little research on the 3.6l I am set to pick up next weekend. It's motor number is 62N506XX. I looked this up before and found out it has the more modern cylinder heads, which is very good. I looked it up in PET, and it looks like it is a M64.02, indicating the automatic tiptronic transmission. Will I have any problems with the using the DME or any of the other engine parts, like wiring, for my conversion?

[NoEardGoat]

Can anyone Id this front bumper???

How about the wing?

[claptrap]

http://www.***************/productpage.aspx?pid=105950&name=Stuttgart+Front+Bumper

It's pretty close.

Scott

[Kevin Stewart]

When I did my 3.6 I wrote down all the parts that were needed, I found it cheaper to buy instant-g's basic kit. The thing with Timmins is he will help you figure it out,, worth the price of the kit.

you might as well get started on the exhaust, I use the b&b headers with dual outs, some say to loud i reduced the tail pipe size and its great

i have a jig to convert the one 993 oe header to fit a 964 motor if needed. Kevin