Seine, Factory Short Shift, Swepco, and what else.....

[cutline_joe]

I have been lurking for a long time and just got first 911 this weekend ( '82 911 SC ) after 6 months looking for one. I am ready to take on the first of many projects and I already have the "while I'm in there" bug.

The plan is Swepco 201, new top and bottom magnetic drain/fill plugs, Factory Short shifter, Shifter Circlip, and Seine Gate system. What else should I do while I am here that is not included in the list; i.e. bushing, adjustments, etc.

Also, when doing all of this at once is there a recommended order. I have searched and have found some conflicting information. My intended plan was Swepco - > Short Shift -> Seine, but I am a mere pcar novice and my plan could be totally off.

thanks,

-Joe

EDIT -> Kendall it is

[Peter Zimmermann]

Swepco Transmission Fluid Question

FYI; The fill plug has no magnet, only the drain plug. There is no need to replace either plug unless the in-hex where your wrench fits is worn badly. Also, NEVER remove the drain plug until you have the fill plug loose!

[Oh Haha]

Do you have the factory short shifter already? How does the gearbox work now?
Any grinding going into any of the gears?

A worn box sometimes gets amplified when you install a short throw shifter. Before you ask, a 915 will NEVER shift as smooth as a modern gearbox and you almost always have to pause bewtween the 1-2 shift to get it clean.

The order you do this is not important but I would stress that you read up on what the project entails. Special tools are sometimes needed to work on these cars.

I would suggest you get 101 Projects for your 911, written by our host. Not only for the shifter items but for for most anything having to do with the SC.

If you have basic mechanical abilities you should be able to handle the projects.

Welcome to Pelican, we look forward to seeing pics of you new 911.


EDIT-read Pete's link before deciding what to do.

[cutline_joe]

Thanks for the quick replies, I had read Pete's link a few nights ago and could not find it again for some reason. The Kendall was the one I wanted to go with, but couldn't find it for the life of me the last 2 days.

I do the 101 projects book as well as, the factory service manual, the Haynes Manual, and 1 or two others I can't remember. I have worked on American cars over the years, this is just my first real car

In my great search for the perfect coupe I had driven and short shift and really liked the feel of it, I have no delusions of the way a 915 shifts and actually prefer it over the G50 (ducking in anticipation of possible flame war). Not to mention, I am 6'3" and the regular shift gets tucked behind my knee in 2nd. There is no grinding of the gears now at all. I also just really like having a real neutral point, rather than the 1-2, 3-4 neutral point.

[Elombard]

He is not going inside the transmission, just the linkage stuff.

I would also highly recommend an aftermarket 'coupler' (universal) - it goes in the hole between the seats. If you are on a budget the 914 round instead of oval bushings are nice short step if you dont want to invest in the universal. make sure the bushings in the shift tower are in good shape.

Take your time and learn the art of adjusting the linkage (back between the seats again).

As long as your synchros are in good shape you should be very pleased with the result.

Oh, if you dont have a stock shift knob I would get one, IMHO they are better than anything aftermarket.

[Thrlls]

Originally Posted by cutline_joe

Thanks for the quick replies, I had read Pete's link a few nights ago and could not find it again for some reason. The Kendall was the one I wanted to go with, but couldn't find it for the life of me the last 2 days.

Here's a link where I purchased from...I purchased online and the shipping was way cheaper!
Kendall

[grizzfan]

While you are down under the beast, might as well change the oil and filter! You probably read that most folks recommend Brad-Penn 20-50 and the Mahle filter is a bit cheaper and perfectly fine.

Good luck.

Tom

[jcsjcs]

How's the pressure required on the clutch pedal? I replaced the helper spring and was shocked at how much easier it made pressing that pedal!

I also got the Seine Shift Gate - which i really like.

[Targa Me]

Use Kendall Gear Lube NS-MP in your trans instead of Swepco, you'll be happier.

[khamul02]

You might knock out the tranny and engine mounts as well. I went with sport mounts on the tranny and some stiffer aftermarket mounts on the engine.. I think this helped the overall linkage a bit..

[chamilun]

I'd highly recommend *NOT* changing the tranny mounts. Doing so in my 82 sc resulted in vibration through the shifter. Unless they look completely obliterated, Id leave them alone.

good luck, and congrats

[Elombard]

Excellent point, I went to solid mounts on the engine and sports on the tranny, with the other shifter mods it was great! Solid motor mounts are not for everyone.

[Targa Me]

I went with solid mounts on the engine and left the tranny mounts stock. I'm pretty happy with that combo.

[cutline_joe]

Are there any additional bushings or parts that should be replaced that do not come in either the short shift or gate kit. Elombard suggested the coupler and I am looking at that now.

thanks,

- Joe

[euro911sc]

Some other things to think on while under the car:

• Check the bushings on the throttle swivel on the transmission. Mine were shot.
• Lube said swivel ball connections and make sure the action of the rods are not hampered by engine sheet metal or other stuff.
• Review shift cable condition.
• Consider a new trans grounding cable if yours looks shot.
• If you still have to old HUGE Bosch starter, swap to a high torque one. 1/2 the size, 1/3 the weight, and no seizing worries with push button starts.
• Check heater hose condition.
• Check CV joint boots for tears and leaks; loose screws as well.
• make sure all the cables/wires are routed well away from rotating parts.
• Check for engine leaks at the return tubes, base gaskets, back of oil cooler.
• Check the S oil hose for wear/rips.
• Replace the sump cover w/ a non-leaking billet cover.

There... that should keep you busy for a few beers

-Michael

[Vincent Hill]

Originally Posted by euro911sc

Some other things to think on while under the car:

• Check the bushings on the throttle swivel on the transmission. Mine were shot.
• Lube said swivel ball connections and make sure the action of the rods are not hampered by engine sheet metal or other stuff.
• Review shift cable condition.
• Consider a new trans grounding cable if yours looks shot.
• If you still have to old HUGE Bosch starter, swap to a high torque one. 1/2 the size, 1/3 the weight, and no seizing worries with push button starts.
• Check heater hose condition.
• Check CV joint boots for tears and leaks; loose screws as well.
• make sure all the cables/wires are routed well away from rotating parts.
• Check for engine leaks at the return tubes, base gaskets, back of oil cooler.
• Check the S oil hose for wear/rips.
• Replace the sump cover w/ a non-leaking billet cover.

There... that should keep you busy for a few beers

-Michael

He just about said it all! I also have the Seine and replaced the Bushing in the rear Coupler in my 1982 911 sc. Right now I am trying Lucas Transmission Grease 80w 90 and it works better than Syn Mobil 1. If the Short Shigter is a little harsh get an Extension from me it will improve your reach and decrease your lever effort! Also I like the Nardi Shift lever Knob over the Stock.

[Thrlls]

Originally Posted by Targa Me

I went with solid mounts on the engine and left the tranny mounts stock. I'm pretty happy with that combo.

Same set up Jerry Woods @ Smart Racing recommends.