Any way to improve shift into 2nd on 915?

[don hopkins]

I have a 1981 911SC which I have had for over 5 years. There is one thing that I really dislike about the car. That is shifting from 1st to 2nd gear on its 915 transmission. The transmission was rebuilt recently so I'm sure its performing as designed. The shift requires what I consider to be a long pause once it is out of 1st waiting for the gears to be aligned so it can go into 2nd. I don't notice this on my 901 in my 1965 912. Is there anything that can be done about this?

Don
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1965 912
1981 911SC
2006 Cayman S

[emac]

Don
I also have a 81 SC and notice that when I shift into 2nd at low rpm's this happens, when I am up around 4k she just slides in. I have been told and read on this board many times that our engines do not like to be lugged.

[Techne]

How many miles since the rebuild? I have read they can take a while to "loosen up".

That being said, the 915 is known for not being quick 1 to 2, particularly if you are accelerating quickly from a stop.

[James Brown]

Several things, shifter bushings-make sure there good. shifter coupler, look for play and rebuild or replace. New upgraded parts like Wevo and rennspeed sells to improve shifting. However, you say the transmission was rebuilt, it should slide right in. Or, you can shoehorn that Cayman 6-speed in there!!

[Wil Ferch]

Try double-clutching with upshift....helps.

Try also Swepco lube and making sure all is adjusted and aligned as best as it can be. Look also at going with Club Sport ( aka "cab") motor mounts...as this allows less engine/trans movement as you get-on/get-off the gas between shifts. All 4 locations, at trans and at engine.

An additional mod like adding a Wevo shifter may *really* help....but is spendy. I've only heard of this last point and not experienced this myself, so others here may chime-in on that point.

[Targa Me]

I use Kendall Gear Lube 80w90. I tried the Swepco but discovered that Kendall works the best, it was a night and day difference for me. Also, as fundamental as it may sound, make sure you clutch cable is properly adjusted.

[Matt Monson]

As was suggested, take it up over 4000rpm on the 1-2 shift and it will slot in a lot easier...

[The Gaijin]

All of the above. The 1 - 2 shift has always been a problem while cold. Double clutching works great.

[CCM911]

I always thought the same thing...until I slowed down my shifts and began to practice shifting smoother. I am almost there as about 75% of the time it clicks right into second. This is a learning thing. It will get better the more you practice.

[SpeedracerIndy]

I was really disappointed after rebuilding my 915 that the 1-2 shift was still a little slow. It often balks if you don't shift it just right. All the usual fixes definitely help, but there's no getting around it unless you drop a G50 in there. Shifting at higher RPM's helps, as well as double clutching. The biggest difference my rebuild had was the ability to downshift into 1st while coasting to a stop, and that made it worth it.

I have all new bushings, Rennshift housing, aftermarket coupler, rebuilt tranny, and new sport tranny and motor mounts. All of these changes made me feel much more connected and in tune with the transmission, but didn't get rid of the 1-2 pause.

[500_19B]

Originally Posted by Wil Ferch

Try double-clutching with upshift....helps.

Try also Swepco lube and making sure all is adjusted and aligned as best as it can be. Look also at going with Club Sport ( aka "cab") motor mounts...as this allows less engine/trans movement as you get-on/get-off the gas between shifts. All 4 locations, at trans and at engine.

An additional mod like adding a Wevo shifter may *really* help....but is spendy. I've only heard of this last point and not experienced this myself, so others here may chime-in on that point.

OK, I know this seems really fundamental, but I just want to make sure I understand. I routinely do what I think is double-clutching for downshifts. Is this the correct sequence of events for double clutching:

1) Press clutch pedal, shift out of 1st gear into neutral.

2) Release clutch pedal.

3) Blip throttle.

4) Press clutch pedal and select second gear.

Let me know if there is something wrong with that.

I notice that in my DD (Subaru WRX), there is a LOT more driveline inertia and I never have to double clutch while upshifting as I usually need to wait for rpms to drop to the appropriate level as it is.

I noticed that in my short spell of driving the 911 before I tore things apart that it had much less inertia and the rpms would drop very quickly between shifts. Is that the crux of why we should double-clutch on upshifts?

[calling911]

Originally Posted by SpeedracerIndy

I was really disappointed after rebuilding my 915 that the 1-2 shift was still a little slow. It often balks if you don't shift it just right. All the usual fixes definitely help, but there's no getting around it unless you drop a G50 in there. Shifting at higher RPM's helps, as well as double clutching. The biggest difference my rebuild had was the ability to downshift into 1st while coasting to a stop, and that made it worth it.

I have all new bushings, Rennshift housing, aftermarket coupler, rebuilt tranny, and new sport tranny and motor mounts. All of these changes made me feel much more connected and in tune with the transmission, but didn't get rid of the 1-2 pause.

It is what it is boys. Be one with it

One thing that has helped me immensely is blipping the throttle on UPSHIFT.. as well as down.. my 2.7 must enough compression to wind down too quick for the 915... maybe yours does too? This trans CAN be shifted well but not fast.. buy the gates too from our host.. gave me way more confidence.. but upshift blips has been the key for me especially with a bad 3rd gear syncro.. I rarely grind now.

And by all means.. be nice to it.. do not force it and try to shift like a BMW.. it ain't gonna friggen happen.

[glewis80SC]

+1 on getting rpm higher before shifting, my 80SC does the same and it helps.

[tcar]

Originally Posted by Wil Ferch

Try also Swepco lube


An additional mod like adding a Wevo shifter may *really* help....but is spendy. I've only heard of this last point and not experienced this myself, so others here may chime-in on that point.

Swepco is NOT a good idea with a 915. Not a good match. Friction characteristics are wrong for the 915 synchros.

Adding a wevo or whatever if what you need to do fix the coupler, the linkage or adjust the clutch will only make things worse.

[jwakil]

Wouldn't just pausing in neutral with the clutch held down be the same thing as double clutching? I tried the double clutch thing a few times and not only was it a lot of work but it didn't make shifting any smoother than just pausing. I didn't know about the 4000 rpms though. I thought the slower it was the easier it would be to shift.

[calling911]

Originally Posted by tcar

Swepco is NOT a good idea with a 915. Not a good match. Friction characteristics are wrong for the 915 synchros.

Adding a wevo or whatever if what you need to do fix the coupler, the linkage or adjust the clutch will only make things worse.

What do you suggest? My goodness this site is full of that recommendation..

[Red Clubbie]

Originally Posted by glewis80SC

+1 on getting rpm higher before shifting, my 80SC does the same and it helps.

Same with my 1984.

I usually change at higher revs from 1st to 2nd and when down changing from 3rd to 2nd, I always double shuffle.

You just have to accept that the 915 is a driving experience.....

Cheers,

Geoff.

[calling911]

Originally Posted by jwakil

Wouldn't just pausing in neutral with the clutch held down be the same thing as double clutching? I tried the double clutch thing a few times and not only was it a lot of work but it didn't make shifting any smoother than a 1 second pause in neutral. I didn't know about the 4000 rpms though. I thought the slower it was the easier it would be to shift.

No.. not at all. In fact, you are wearing out your trans doing this.

[winders]

Originally Posted by tcar

Swepco is NOT a good idea with a 915. Not a good match. Friction characteristics are wrong for the 915 synchros.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh!

Scott

[Steve@Rennsport]

Originally Posted by tcar

Swepco is NOT a good idea with a 915. Not a good match. Friction characteristics are wrong for the 915 synchros.

With all due respect, I'd kindly disagree,.....

Synthetic gear oils are not advisable with any 901-915-930 transmissions since those lubricants do not work properly with the Porsche baulk-ring syncros.

Non-synthetics such as Swepco #201, #210, Lubrication Engineers 703-704, and Kendall are the preferred products for these unique gearboxes.

There is a LOT more to this story, however a correction was needed on recommended lubricants to help prevent someone from an expensive mistake.