Early 911T Wanted Under $10K

[cegerer]

Are good early 911T's really available for $8-$10K as was suggested again today on another thread?

A friend and co-worker has been looking for 4-5 months. He's still looking. Please list - with photos and links - all 911T/E's in the $8K-$10K range on the market right now. Only cars in excellent condition will be considered. No junk. No 5-owner non-documented specials. No rust. No mechanical problems. No ratty interiors. No whales tails, turbo-looks, safetybumper conversions, etc. No paint problems. He'll pay extra if it's located in the midwest. I told him there's a few guys on this board who say they see these all the time and would certainly be able to come up with 10 or 20 to choose from.

This is what he's looking for (but it is apparently overpriced by $5000):

http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/0/1/1928401.htm

These are examples of what's not acceptable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1808051459

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1807118337

Thanks for the help -- Curt

[pwd72s]

Curt? Suggest to your friend that he buy a late 80's Turbo...black on black. They are MUCH easier to find.

[cegerer]

I think it'll be 3-4 years before those are in the sub-$10K range. But they are heading in that direction. -- Curt

[epbrown]

What about yours? Can't be worth more than six or seven grand, right?

Emanuel

[Jack Olsen]

That one is nice. I'd suggest to your friend that he offer 12K on it. If you buy an 8-10K car in good condition, you'd have to spend more than another two to get it up to this level. A new interior and new paint are pricey items.

But if your point is that good early cars aren't available for 8-10K, it's not true. It just requires patience and persistence. By the time a car gets to ebay or the autotrader (or a Southern California dealer), it's going to get snapped up -- most of the time by someone willing to pay too much for it. Cosmetics, especially, drive prices up.

If you catch one before it hits the broad market, you can get a good car with solid mechanicals for not too much.

I paid too much for mine, originally, at $11,000 -- and it came with $6000 in engine and suspension receipts, and a to-my-specifications Glasurit repaint (including adding flares and a new bumper). I think I should have paid closer to nine.

There are also people who will dig for you for a percentage of whatever they find that you decide to buy. I can give you the name of one of those people if you email me.

[cegerer]

Jack, I guess my point is that they're really not available in that price range. I'm not saying there's never been a good one sold below $10K, but the ones he and I have looked at for the past 4-5 months are total junk. I suppose if he moved to Southern California, the odds would be much better. But how does somebody from Michigan 'catch one' before it hits eBay or a dealer? I hear this belief that good T's can be readily had for under $10K all the time, yet nobody can ever seem to produce one?

[speeder]

Cegerer, Since you are refering to a post of mine, I will reply. Yes, they are probably scarce in the mid-west. I am originally from Minnesota, never see good early cars there. Here in L.A., they are not too hard to find, sometimes for a lot less than $10g's with tired, but decent running, motors. They may begin to rise if demand really jumps in the future, but as of now $10g will buy one hell of a nice 911T. Not as nice as yours, (because of your motor), but similar cosmetically. If you ever come here to look, I would be happy to assist you in any way possible.

[pryord]

http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/0/5/1887005.htm

Not concourse, but an excellent car. It runs and shifts great and the interior is all original. Rust free.

David

[pwd72s]

David? This is your car? Curt, no salt used on Oregon's roads when it snows...they use a volcanic cinder gravel instead. If your friend is serious, this might be worth a look.

[Don Wohlfarth]

Curt, from your description of what your friend wants it may be a while before he finds a car. Your friend seems to think he can buy "only excellent examples, no mechanical problems, no 5 owner, no ratty interiors, no paint problems" for 8-10K is a reach.
You've got a standing offer of 15K and are trying to justify (I'm the leader of the pack here ) on spending another 15-18K for a 72s.
I guess my question is how far above excellent is the 72s versus the excellent car your friend wants for under 10K?

[pryord]

Yes, it's my car. I'm buying an SC that I can drive in the rain. This car has little to no rust.

David

[Saffs]

Originally posted by cegerer
Are good early 911T's really available for $8-$10K as was suggested again today on another thread?

A friend and co-worker has been looking for 4-5 months. He's still looking. Please list - with photos and links - all 911T/E's in the $8K-$10K range on the market right now. Only cars in excellent condition will be considered. No junk. No 5-owner non-documented specials. No rust. No mechanical problems. No ratty interiors. No whales tails, turbo-looks, safetybumper conversions, etc. No paint problems.

I think what you're looking for there is really quite an excellent car much like the lovely Olive one Les Paul guy got. I think when people say, "yeah, loads of good Ts under 10k" they're speaking of good cars. Ones with faults like you've mentioned above. Plus, most older cars have a few owners especially Porsches, as owners buy them for status and their fortunes change rapidly, a reason even nice cars have a lot of owners.
So, maybe this why this is why cars aren't turning up. Because this category is really "name your price" stuff and above and beyond the more average/good rust free cars under 10k with motors half way through their life, tatty seats, etc.
Just a few thoughts, let you know if I see anything....

[Jack Olsen]

I think it's also regional. In the midwest, a pre-74 911 is going to raise some eyebrows wherever you go. In southern California, you see housewives driving them to the 7-11.

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by pryord
Yes, it's my car. I'm buying an SC that I can drive in the rain. This car has little to no rust.

David

Well David, IF you wish to sell the car, and IF Curt's friend is serious about wanting one? How about this? Curt's friend pays for a PPI at Motorsports International...I'd trust Wes, Win, and Wayne on this. After that, if you're willing to drive 95 miles south, (I HATE driving in the Portland area) I'd be glad to look at the car from a cosmetic standpoint & give a (hopefully)unbiased report. You, as a seller, should not have to pay for a PPI, IMHO... Yeah, I'd be willing to do this...

[epbrown]

Originally posted by JackOlsen
I think it's also regional. In the midwest, a pre-74 911 is going to raise some eyebrows wherever you go. In southern California, you see housewives driving them to the 7-11.

That's true. My office provides parking at a garage in the Loop and I pass several late model 911s every day, with the same 964 and 993 on my floor regularly. I've seen a couple of pre-73 cars (Viper Green and Signal Orange), but it's rare; I can't recall ever seeing an early car actually moving, just a various Porsche-related functions. Then again, I doubt you'd see a survivor out this time of year...

Emanuel

[cegerer]

Denis: I appreciate the offer. It is a HUGE problem looking for an early 911 from the midwest. I went thru the same thing a couple of years ago. I guess some people are content with buying a car based upon photos only. I wouldn't do it myself and my friend is the same. So what is one to do? Fly to Calif. to check out each car that comes along. Not. Does one take a 5 day trip and just spend time looking for one? Maybe. btw, I doubt there are many $10K T's with similar cosmetics to mine. It might not be apparent from the photos (and I'm not trying to boast) but I've got a receipt for nearly $10K in exterior restoration from Stoddard in 1994. And yes, the seller got less than 1/2 of the $38,500 he had invested in my car!

Don: He is looking for excellent condition, not good condition. But many people seem to imply that the sub $10K cars are in excellent condition. Even B. Anderson has the excellent examples at around $10k. The 72S was in a class of its own. But I do think my friend (who knows little about 911's) has been spoiled by my car and uses it as a benchmark.

David: He actually showed me that car a while ago and I thought it looked pretty good. I think my comment to him was there MUST be something wrong for that price! It seems like it should have sold really quickly. But apparently it hasn't. Have you had people looking at it, and if so, what is turning them off?

Paul: Thanks for the offer. I'll talk to him in the morning.

[tight as a bull's ass]

This might be a good catch.

http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/2/9/1938529.htm

[cegerer]

We've seen that one Emmanuel. 3 Words: Sport O Matic He actually did a clever job of describing it though: "Rare 4-speed shift with automatic clutch, just like high performance cars today".

[emcon5]

How about this one?

http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/2/8/20680228.htm

Tom

[tight as a bull's ass]

Originally posted by cegerer
We've seen that one Emmanuel. 3 Words: Sport O Matic He actually did a clever job of describing it though: "Rare 4-speed shift with automatic clutch, just like high performance cars today".

Hmm...interesting...did they even make sport-o-matics back in 1970? or is it some after-market thing he did to the car?

Perhaps I should update my historical knowledge on these early cars...
anyway, maybe this isn't such a good example after all