I make Parallel Flow Micro-Channel Condensers for 911's front and rear

[KelogGes]

To the NON TROLLS HERE

This is really important information I have given you as a GIFT!

Look what I am dealing with posting honest and factual information for you, notice any A/C related discussion thread here and it is always the same people with more then a thousand posts that have no life but disruption.

[bourgeois911]

Uh, thanks?

[ganun]

Must be using the front condenser first then going back to the rear cond then finally on to the evap.
Makes some sense to dump the most heat away from the engine, just more hose.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by ganun

Must be using the front condenser first then going back to the rear cond then finally on to the evap.
Makes some sense to dump the most heat away from the engine, just more hose.

BINGO!!! ganun You win a KEWPIE DOLL AND A GOLD STAR! You were the first to figure this out from the Simple clues I gave

This has never been done by Porsche or anyone else for that matter with this new way

THE gases always went to the rear first than the front
UNTIL I DISCOVERED THIS FLAW AND REVERSAL OF THE GASES

I AM TIRED RIGHT NOW TO PROPERLY FINISH MY CONGRADULATIONS TO YOU BUT I WILL FINISH IT IN THE MORING WHEN I RE-EDIT THIS IN THE MORNING

Believe it or not the hose length is about the same kinda

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by ganun

Must be using the front condenser first then going back to the rear cond then finally on to the evap.
Makes some sense to dump the most heat away from the engine, just more hose.

YES

MAJOR ENGINEERING F UP

and Porsche or anyone else WHO came along since; never did this until I discovered this and re-engineered about 2 years ago as far as I know

I had keep this secret and gave it to a local Porsche shop to use to make money with for the last 2 years! and THEY HAVE!!!

I have had to do a lot of soul searching to release this information to the world instead of keeping it secret

But I have decided to give this information to everyone who is an early model 911 owner as A GIFT from my heart!

I have other early model new technology 911 A/C inventions that are really good and don't really need this one and would rather give it to the worlds 911 Owners

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by ganun

Must be using the front condenser first then going back to the rear cond then finally on to the evap.
Makes some sense to dump the most heat away from the engine, just more hose.

Howdy George,

You used your brain and are the first THAT GOT IT !

THIS SIMPLE RE-ENGINEERING REALLY WORKS FAR BETTER THEN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN LAYOUT, I was amazed how good it worked to say the least

Not Like many fools that are trolls in the thread that only come to be disruptive


REVERSING THE GASES will greatly improve the characteristics of your early model 911 system making it not only colder but also pretty much stop your a/c system from causing oil temperature rise

But also know the old style tube and fine front and rear condensers heat exchangers still suck due to their technology and I doubt even using this reversing of the gases, all though make them work much better, that they would be good enough technology with R134A refrigerant to let your 911 be comfortable in hot Summer as the heat rises?

I make new technology PFC's for 911s, because its the best in the world right now with 30degree A/C systems and for my PFC's reversing the gases the improvement has proven incredible

[quattrorunner]

This guys still around telling everyone how dumb they are and how smart he is!
rediculous.

[KelogGes]

The last 3 911s I have posted here have this modification done to them but you cant tell from the pictures on purpose

[ganun]

The revised flow should benefit turbo cars with their smaller deck lid cond ..... my Retro kit keeps me cold so no complaints, I did change the oil temp front fender fan temp switch from 245 F to 215F, I'll see during the summer if I have to get a lower set point switch.

[tirwin]

...but you cant tell from the pictures on purpose

Why is that, Reid?

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by tirwin

Why is that, Reid?

I do custom state of the art design engineering among several other things I keep confidential

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by ganun

The revised flow should benefit turbo cars with their smaller deck lid cond ..... my Retro kit keeps me cold so no complaints, I did change the oil temp front fender fan temp switch from 245 F to 215F, I'll see during the summer if I have to get a lower set point switch.

Howdy George,

This should work pretty good on all early model 911s including 930s that have OEM A/C because they really suck for several reasons, this is one of them.

But the condensers really suck and always have!!! They were designed by Behr 26 to 30 years ago and for their technology they have always been toooo small for their technology for proper A/C cooling and is also a major 911 design flaw



New Technology IS THE KEY to cold A/C in early model 911's

George I think Retro Air is a rip off company they Dont make any of the products they sell, you can buy the same old technology PFC that does not properly fit your deck lid that are made in china and you can buy for half the cost from

Parallel Flow Condensers - Non Painted | ACKITS.com

Anyway George please don't be mad at me for saying something negative about about your condensers, they probably work ok for you I guess



Oh and I see you live near me in Miami send me your Tel privately here and I will call you and tell you more about reversing the gases

[KelogGes]

Regardless of what you might think of me for whatever reason the information I have posted here is true really important information and if reversing the gases is used on an early model 911 it is a game changer for making the a/c system make cold far better than the standard way regardless of the heat exchanger used and for over 35 years everyone has simply had the wrong mind set!

Try it and you will discover what I say is true! What have you got to loose?

Reid Kelly
3/30/2015

[KelogGes]

TEST 1am early Sunday, ‎December ‎02, ‎2012 Reversing the Early Model 911 Gases Proof This Invention Works

[KelogGes]

This early model 911 I call THE BLACK SWAN gets 37 F degree (reliable average) vent temps @ 95 F degrees Ambient!

(without freezing)

The owner is extremely happy to say the least!

It uses only 0.95 lbs R134A refridgerent

This test was accomplished using a couple of pieces of hose fittings and hose clamps

All the existing hose was only disconnected and left in place until the next day so the shop owner could see how well the test worked

He liked it so well it was completed the next day using the new invention!

[wwest]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

This early model 911 I call THE BLACK SWAN gets 37 F degree (reliable average) vent temps @ 95 F degrees Ambient!

The owner is extremely happy to say the least!

It uses only 0.95 lbs R134A refridgerent

Ambient temperatures may or may not be pertinent to the performance of an A/C system.

Tell us the delta "T" (***1) numbers plus blower speed setting(***2) if you want to impress your audience with performance improvements.

The fact that you don't seem to know the importance of that says loads about your expertise with A/C systems.

***1 Evaporator inlet airflow temperature vs outflow temperature.

***2 Include CFM at the center outlet, even better.

[KelogGes]

LoL

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by wwest

Ambient temperatures may or may not be pertinent to the performance of an A/C system.

There is no "may not" about it.

[DaveMcKenz]

Hi Reid,
I have a couple of questions about the Black Swan:
What is the air circulation on the front condenser fan?
It looks like you have two 10 foot hoses in a temporary hookup to reverse the condenser order. Were yo able to route those hoses, and have the function you were looking for?
Thanks,
Dave

[ganun]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Howdy George,

New Technology IS THE KEY to cold A/C in early model 911's[/B]

George I think Retro Air is a rip off company they Dont make any of the products they sell, you can buy the same old technology PFC that does not properly fit your deck lid that are made in china and you can buy for half the cost from

Anyway George please don't be mad at me for saying something negative about about your condensers, they probably work ok for you I guess

Hey, If it works in a Miami summer its a good system even though I did not replace the front cond nor its blower. ( With global warming looming I still have that option for the future. hehehe)
But it is true that the decklid cond , while huge and fit without any issues, at first glance one could think it should be at least a couple of inches longer left to right but then on assembly one realizes the 90 degree hose couplers need clearance to not foul the hinges.
Cheers,
PS there was a large P car spring picnic at C.B.Smith park this Sunday and we had a small group of us Retro owners discussing our systems and helping others that were in the process of purchasing or installing. It was great, you should have gone.