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ynotony1966 08-13-2011 08:07 AM

News flash...local mechanic drops ??? in intake
 
He said he doesnt know how it could have happened, I think gravity had something to do with it. is he responsible for damages?

tobluforu 08-13-2011 08:22 AM

Of course he is, especially if he admits to it, what has happened to the motor?

Neilk 08-13-2011 08:24 AM

I saw your other post. Did the engine run and then die right there at the shop?

ynotony1966 08-13-2011 08:26 AM

yes it ran than died, he said he would pull everything and see what happened, damn i miss my car

924CarreraGTP 08-13-2011 08:32 AM

That shop would be paying to rebuild my engine.

ynotony1966 08-13-2011 09:02 AM

anyone with advice on how to proceed?

fastfredracing 08-13-2011 09:25 AM

Man, I did it once, I was putting head gaskets on an 5.4 triton f 250. Got all done, and could not find one little 8 mm nut, for the air intake. Fired right up, ran good for about 15 seconds, and then Ka fuchin' boom. Man did it break. smashed a piston, broke off the intake valve, and actually cracked the one cylinder. I had to buy the guy a motor. It was my fault. That was a tough call to make to the customer, but I made it right, and truck is still running good 5 years later. I thought about turning it into my insurance, but just sucked it up. Instead of making a grand, I lost $1500.00 and got to work 2 extra days for free. Mistakes do happen, we are all human after all, it is how we deal with our mistakes that count.

ynotony1966 08-13-2011 09:37 AM

no crack boom bam, just stopped running, he said, maybe it fixable?

nineball 08-14-2011 08:23 AM

i would have my motor rebuilt by someone i could trust and make the first guy pay for it, but that's just my opinion.

steely 08-14-2011 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ynotony1966 (Post 6194020)
anyone with advice on how to proceed?

Maybe someone here will give you a more informed/ better approach, but it's an engine drop and head removal. Hopefully you know the cylinder #. Valve/rocker and cam inspection. The item could have gotten smacked around and scored the walls and head. Pics are good.
Were all small parts accounted for - or did they not say?
There are some examples here you could search for - not for the feint of heart.
All fixable however. Best of luck to you mate.

dad911 08-14-2011 09:30 AM

If there is any metal in the oil, I'd be looking for new lines, cooler, etc also.......

At a minimum I would want a written agreement that the shop will fix properly, and I would want to be there when he pulls the engine apart. And if this isn't a shop with alot of 911 rebuild experience, I'd be looking for a check, and bring it elsewhere.

You have opposite goals. He wants to fix it as inexpensively as possible, and may overlook oiling system, rods & rod bearings, etc. You want it fixed correctly.

ynotony1966 08-14-2011 10:08 AM

news update
 
I just got off the phone with my insurance co and was told that if something fell into the intake that caused the condition to occur that it would more than likely be covered as an accident, requiring an investigation to determine the cause, if it were water or an animal it would not be covered, I left a message on the shops phone to not touch it, as he was going to disassemble on monday:eek:

john walker's workshop 08-14-2011 10:24 AM

the shop should have insurance to cover it, if it turns expensive. if they owned up to it and were going to fix it, why mess with them?

ynotony1966 08-14-2011 10:26 AM

I dont think the shop has the expertise to do an internal engine repair

brads911sc 08-14-2011 10:48 AM

This is where it gets ugly...

Neilk 08-14-2011 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ynotony1966 (Post 6195540)
I dont think the shop has the expertise to do an internal engine repair

Couple of questions-
Why did you need to replace the intake gaskets and why did you bring it there if they are not qualified?

It sounds like they want to fix their damage, but like dad911 said, they have opposite goals than you do. Is there any way to get another person to look at the engine for you? Good luck.

Gunter 08-14-2011 12:23 PM

What was dropped into which intake????????

A tool? A nut/bolt? A beer cap?

ynotony1966 08-14-2011 02:24 PM

no one knows whats in there, I told the guy not to touch it until the ins. co. does its investigation, where is Superman when you need him

Laneco 08-14-2011 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john walker's workshop (Post 6195531)
the shop should have insurance to cover it, if it turns expensive. if they owned up to it and were going to fix it, why mess with them?

+1. The shop owned up to their mistake. Many shops would not have. With caution of course, I suggest that you proceed in the direction of good faith. That may involve their insurance company, perhaps moving to another shop etc. I'll know I'll probably take a beating for making this suggestion, but there are still honest people out there.

This mechanic's admission of this misfortune probably puts him into the "honest" category.

angela

tazzieman 08-14-2011 03:43 PM

Happened to me ...they (reputable shop) dropped a small washer into cyl#6. But they admitted there was a problem (after they cranked the engine) , used a borescope to diagnose the faulty cyl , pulled the motor and disassembled the cylinder. Piston crown had a small ding but otherwise I was lucky. Put it all back together and there has been no issue.

Of course they footed the bill for the labour. Stuff happens. Surgeons leave scissors inside people!
I hope your foreign body was small and any damage is limited. Good luck!


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