ER Polybroze just started squeaking after 4 months,normal?
 

The drivers rear spring plate bearing/bushing just started squeaking today and man its bothersome,I herd they squeaked but it never did in my car until today,is that normal?Just getting broken in or do I need to gease them already?

Hmm... mine never squeaked and I only greased them once a year - sometime even a little longer.

I am considering this upgrade and wondering if humidity/rain is a factor? You don't get much dryer than N. Phoenix, AZ. NYC has seemed a lot like the PAC. NW lately. Would love to hear others' experiences too.

my polygraphite bushings started to squeak after a few months....sucks donkey d!K

My ER Polybronze front and rear have been squekk free for several years. But I hit them with a grease gun twice a year.

Weltmeister polygraphite will all squeak and you have to disassemble to grease them.

Did you contact ER for support? I'd think the manuf. would provide a good answer.

Sherwood

For you guys with rear ER polybronze springplate bushings - what do you use to grease them? I cannot get the tip of the grease gun into the narrow space to grease them.

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I got this one handed grease gun at Harbor Freight Tool for about $8 on sale and the adjustable angle tip at the same place for $3.
Pull back a ring on the tip and it pivots around 360 degrees to change it's angle where it will lock in place when releasing the ring and it will fit the grease fittings on front and rear ER polybronze bushings easily.

ER says to jack the car up to take the weight off the control arm or spring plate bushings so grease flows all the way around them top to bottom while greasing them every 3000 miles. Makes sense.
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had mine for about 15K miles...i did have just a little squeaking early, but kept lubing every 3k and after the 5k or so the squeaking left and has never returned...i can guess that it wears itself in after a while...i need to buy one of those 360 grease fittings though...the Elephant PB bushings are a very good product imo.

After 3 yrs, greasing every 5K, the rears began to squeek. Jacked it up, removed spring plate cover and outer bearings The old grease was to thick to allow new grease up the little lubricating tunnels. Cleaned up, regreased and no more sueeks now for about 6mo. Be careful not to loose the shim washers that give u the proper play. Read on Elephant Racing's site for proper install. Good luck, Glenn

Typically, "pressure-lubed" grease joints have an escape path for old grease to exit as fresh grease enters w/o exposure to the elements. Can such a path be created in the ER bushings?

Sherwood

Properly fit and lubricated, they do not squeak. By far the most common cause of issues with spring plates bushings is inadequate spacing beneath the cover plate. Be sure to follow the instructions that explain how to space the cover plate to achieve some lateral play. Without this, you will have problems.

If you need more help, feel free to call or email me directly.

And this my friends is what is known as customer service!!

Thx Chuck

I didn't use the PB ones but I did use the rubber ones that were replacements for the originals and they squeak really badly until I have been driving for a while.....any suggestions???:(

Neil

I have noisy ER polybronze spring plate bushings. They were installed about 600 miles ago. We have lubed them (wheels dangling as recommended,) checked the free play as recommended by Chuck, even added extra free play to see if that would help. The bushings are still noisy, not squeaking but generating a fairly loud scraping/grating sound particularly when turning. I have pulled the shocks and anti roll bar to be sure the sound was not coming from those sources. Anyone have any suggestions not already aired above? Thanks, Jim

Have delrin bushings on mine, spent a little time front and rear sanding and fitting the bushings and arms, put anti seize on them, no binding, no noise, no problems. Two cars, ten years. Low buck is ok on these cars sometimes.

Had ER poly bronze for almost 10 years on my 70 911 and never had a peep out of them. I lube them about every 2 years. Love them so much I just installed them on my backdate.

I have been good for a few years- I grease them every 6 months- gets messy but it works

Given proper clearances as recommended, can we assemble a list of lubes that minimize/reduce squeeking, moaning and peeping?

Sherwood

Blaming the customer in a public forum, is now considered good customer service? --Weird.

Seems that Chuck want's no one talking freely/openly about product problems.

The OP isn't the first with this problem, nor will he be the last. Metal on metal bushings, with an open design, relying on grease ... yikes.

1924 called; they want their grease gun back.

Not sure if it helps but I grease mine in the air and on the ground. I figure this way it should reduce both loads and accept grease.

I've had my PB for 8-9 years now, no squeaking.
But I will disassemble the rear for the first time now this Christmas, changing torsion bars, will be interesting to see how they look!

I think onboost was referencing this: "If you need more help, feel free to call or email me directly."

Sounds good to me, along with pointing out what could be the problem.

Just a thought.

Myself and my partner have dealt with Chuck many times and We find him a gentleman and his products are always perfect if utilized as designed. I love ER poly bronze bushes and find them a great improvement over the vulcanized rubber bushes. They allow for a much freer movement of the swing arms and I actually think they improve the ride.

Island911, I would be almost certain that you have some personal grudge with Chuck (I'm sure caused by some product issue) but I think your attack on Chuck (in this example) is completely unwarranted. I just read his post again and I cannot read it they way you did. That's my 2c but I would never stop anyone from expressing theirs. Can only relay MY experience and interpret MY way. RelaX

if you push the pedal on the right hard enough the squeaking goes away......

I do not have the rears, but what I have noticed is that when I grease the fronts it seems like all of the grease blows out just adjacent to the zirk fitting between the two wear surfaces. I have spoken with chuck about this and he assures me the grease is making it around the races completely. I'd feel better about it if the grease day lighted somewhere other than right where is was introduced. I recognize the volume of the races does not require much grease, but still it seems to me that it all squirts out way too promptly. I will never know until I take them apart some day, or they noticeably start to bind, but 8 years in they have not.

island has a grudge against the human race in general, chuck's not special....;)

:-)

Well, except for a couple of his like-minded "thinkers" in PARF! :D

It takes about 3 or 4 squeezes of the grease gun before I start seeing the old grease ooze out so the new grease is going somewhere.

I got mine fitted in March and have greased them twice since with about 1200 miles driven. No squeaks.

Rain does make a squeaky difference with mine. I just hit them with a gun and we are back in business.

:rolleyes:Ah geez..

Look, I like chuck. We share much of the same political alignment. (since some of you-coughRonniecouch- want to bring PARF into this.)and he's an impressive salesman.

BUT this one product of his - it is fraught with potential problems (surface finish, machining tolerance, distortions due to fitment...) And yet his response to a squeak peep is; you're doing it wrong. (yay for customer service)

PS I rarely chime in on these technical threads, mostly because I can't stand the idiots who have to make technical responses personal. In this case, a fellow pelican brought this thread to my attention, expecting to elicit a comment. My bad. I'll try to let you sensitive men stroke each other over the high technology of a greased bushing ...while also berating anyone who has an issue with them. --because clearly, that guy must be doing it all wrong. -because, you know, chuck is a nice guy. - technically speaking :rolleyes:

I think you just made it personal by referring to me as an idiot!

As to your "technical response", read your own post again. You ***** about Chuck's customer service and then make vague reference to old world design - Gee thanks for you're wonderful input. Go f... yourself (said the sensitive guy).

:D way to bolster my point. SmileWavy

Hey man, What happened to all that talk about needing to RelaX? Or is that just something you say when you want to paint another as uptight? You know, a petulant lil jab. :cool:

btw, I didn't make a vague reference to old world design. My reference was on point, and with specificity to the linked 1924 patent. --nothing vague about that. :)

Oh, and I did not just make it personal by referring to you as an idiot. Rather it was you and Toby making it personal, yucking it up, with nothing to add but ad hominem. -nothing.

Island, please try to enjoy your life. I got nothing else to say to you.

come now boys... you're making me wish I had squeaky bushings so I wouldn't have to hear this crap.

let's get back on topic shall we?

EDIT: OH and one more thing, the Turbo Charger was patented back in 1885! :)

When I was installing my spring plate ER poly bronze, I spent a lot of time prepping the torsion tube holes and the surfaces to make sure I'd be able to get the proper alignment. I also paid special attention to the spacing, as the instructions said. I figured that since there wasn't going to be any rubber to make up for slight misalignment, that I better do it well.

During my build I had many conversations with Chuck and he was really helpful and made sure I was aware of the little details that count, which I outlined in my rebuild thread

Specifically, here's the work on the spring plates and torsion tube holes.

And more finishing work to mount the Poly Bronze properly HERE

When installing the spring plate covers, I used the washers to space them out, per the instructions, so that there was a little space between the inner and outer Poly Bronze bushings.

I've been running them for two years, many canyon runs and some track time and haven't had a sound. I shoot some synthetic grease in there about every four months so that I know there's always fresh stuff inside.

Hopefully, the OP can fix the problem with a little more space between the inner and outer bushings.

Cheers,

- Craig_D

Thanks for getting back to the topic.
Craig D... have read your thread several times. Very helpful. I think we did everything you did re fitting. Just to be sure about the spacers, I added 4 washers/spacers to each side to see if this would change or fix my noise. Didn't do a damned thing! Next on my check list: the differential and the hand brake(s.)

Are you sure this is where the squeaking is coming from? If you have everything coated with grease it shouldn't squeak. at first anyway.

Exactly.. Thanks!SmileWavy