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wayner 01-10-2013 09:55 AM

For your seats, until you have the resources to do a professional job, I wonder if you would be a good guinea pig to research, test and report back on the usefulness of this product and how it compares to duct tape for making old ripped seats usable?

Vyna Bond Vinyl Repair Kit | Industrial Vinyl Adhesive

or this one that they sell

Anything Foam | Coated Foam Repair & Filler | Foam Coatings from Plasti Dip

Here is the (corny) video
Plasti Dip Anything Foam - YouTube

kkinzli 01-10-2013 12:07 PM

That video is pretty funny! I think I am going to use fiberglass to fix the dash and then recover in vinyl. As for the seats I think I will just leave them in duct tape until I get them recovered. Thanks for the suggestions.

Fishcop 01-10-2013 05:11 PM

Well done!

kkinzli 01-10-2013 06:13 PM

Thanks John. How is your project coming?

Fishcop 01-11-2013 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkinzli (Post 7201337)
Thanks John. How is your project coming?

Slowly :D

kkinzli 01-11-2013 05:48 AM

John,

I will try to check out your thread later today!

kkinzli 01-11-2013 10:17 AM

Day 92: Last night I was able to make some good progress. I was able to redo half of the dash in vinyl (my car has a 68 2 piece dash for some strange reason), start fixing cracks with JB weld and fiberglass, do an oil change and finish the night by putting the hood emblem on.

Putting fresh vinyl on the flat half of the dash. I made sure to put foam underneath to give the vinyl some depth. This also allows for expansion in the FL heat. I used Weldwood Contact Cement for this.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357927838.jpg

The completed flat half of the dash

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357927929.jpg

Test fitting it in the car

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I fixed quite a few cracks in the front half of the dash using JB Weld. I started using the JB Quick Weld which sets in 6 mintues, as it allows me to hold things in the correct position. To make, sure the dash doesn't crack I shaved off a little bit of foam on the back side and reinforcced it with fiberglass. After sanding I think the surface will be as good as new.


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Hood crest installed. I just couldn't wait anymore:rolleyes:
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twtony 01-12-2013 03:15 AM

Looking good Kristoph!

Gonna make a start on my headliner install today

wayner 01-12-2013 05:13 AM

Looks Great!

Having just installed mine recently here are a couple of things to check for before final installation:

1) I think you will need to make up a little "skirt" to extend the front of the dash. Once the glass is in that exposed metal between the front of the dash and the windshield track will show unless you cover it. It looks like you trimmed your material flush with the edge of the dash cap which does not leave the extra material to cover that area.

2) Test fit the glass and make sure that you haven't added too much material to the dash to allow the windshield to fit at the corners. If the dash is too thick, it will interfere with the glass near the "A" pillars.

3) I added metal studs to the front to replace the plastic plug on mine. Mine had metal studs at the edge near the cockpit, but plastic plugs near the glass, and they would not hold properly.

P.S. Your workmanship looks really great!

kkinzli 01-14-2013 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twtony (Post 7203802)
Looking good Kristoph!

Gonna make a start on my headliner install today

Thanks! How is the headliner coming?

kkinzli 01-14-2013 05:25 AM

Hi Wayner!

Thanks for all of the advice. I will make sure to take it and hopefully I will have no fitment issues. My last test fit seemed to be okay along the A pillar and I should have enough clearance for new vinyl and glue. Just to make sure I might sand the old vinyl down in those areas.

kkinzli 01-14-2013 05:35 AM

Christmas pictures of engine work in New Mexico. This engine is for Obi Wan's 68 911L. One day I will have to rebuild the engine for the Rat and this was a great learning experience. Thanks Obi Wan for being a great Porsche masterSmileWavy

Crank ready for rods
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358169959.jpg

Rods and rod bearings installed
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358170161.jpg

Case
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358170269.jpg

Crank in case
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358170312.jpg

Installing the new timing chain

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That is as far as we got. The plater did not finish the hardware for reassembling the case in time and I had to board a plane and fly home to Florida the next day. Maybe next time I will learn how to do the pistons, cylinders, and heads:p

kkinzli 01-14-2013 06:11 AM

Day 93: Today Peter was able to come over and we made some significant progress. We were able to install the VIN plate on the A-pillar, install the rocker trim on both sides of the car, install a passenger mirror, install the trunk carpet and address the rough running issue I was having. Tuning the engine involved cleaning the fuel pump screen, setting the points and timing, cleaning up the fouled plugs, cleaning the idle jets and installing new fuel filters. The Rat is now pulling like a train. Before I do a shake down run I will need to double check the point gap as I have a bit of heasitation above 4500 rpm. To top off a great P-car day Peter brought me an amazing X-mas present in the form of a seat for the Rat:D:D:D Thanks so much Peter!! Here are few picture of the progress.

VIN plate installed on A-pillar. Notice the nice patina

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358171923.jpg

Installing rocker trim. This was quite difficult and is definitly a two man job. Even using soap in the rails we had a hard time pushing in the rubber trim piece using four hands. We used the new rocker trim from our host and it lined up with the factory holes perfectly. We had to trim some of the rubber with a razor blade to get the endcaps to fit snuggly.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358172055.jpg

Trunk carpet installed
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kkinzli 01-14-2013 06:15 AM

Day 93 continued:

Rat in the front yard after a few test runs around the neighborhood sans windshield

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358172799.jpg


My wife pretending to drive Peter's awesome 914. She had a dream on Saturday night that she was practicing driving the Rat in a field behind our house:D:D:D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358172857.jpg

Amazing Christmas present! Does anybody have tips on installing one of these in a 911?

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kkinzli 01-14-2013 06:22 AM

My list is ever shrinking and I am almost out of this tunnel, er.... I mean Rathole.

Things left to do before daily driving can commence:

Finish dash in new vinyl

Install front and rear glass (I am going to have a professional do this for fear of breaking the glass. I have done it before but I don't think it is worth the risk with a brand new windshield)

Refinish shift linkage cover

Recover sunvisors ( I might get 928 sunvisors for now)

Clean up primer overspray on lower dash and steering wheel

Clean cigar screen in gas tank (I didn't know there was a screen there until last week:rolleyes: I could have easily done this when I was refinishing the tank)

New appraisal

Alignment

Wash the car and put a coat of wax on the new paint

Am I missing anything?

wayner 01-14-2013 10:08 AM

Regarding those dash corners, I was able to get an extra 1/4" of vertical clearance to the windshield by snugging them down with a stud instead of the flimsy plastic clips the factory used on my 73.

Many dashes that I have seen from that era tend to curl upwards at the corners.

Car is looking great!

Deschodt 01-14-2013 10:17 AM

Back to the dash install for a second: Did you find that leaving the glass off helped *a lot* ?
I am on the same boat as you were repair wise, and my old dash is already off the car. As far as I can tell, all I need to do now once I fix the dash is to push on the clips for the front part and the other studs/nuts are accessed from behind the dash anyway. Seems hard to miss...

I've been reading it's a glass-off job for years, but I don't see how that would help me, much. Thing is I'm not ready with the dash, but I'd like to get the windshield back on to take the car home soon, the shop is not gonna store the car indefinitely post paint job ;-)

Right behind ya ;-)

http://www.erikaslist.com/pictures/69_912_p2.jpg

kkinzli 01-14-2013 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner (Post 7207493)
Regarding those dash corners, I was able to get an extra 1/4" of vertical clearance to the windshield by snugging them down with a stud instead of the flimsy plastic clips the factory used on my 73.

Many dashes that I have seen from that era tend to curl upwards at the corners.

Car is looking great!

Thanks Wayner. On the 68 dash I have the studs are all metal and get bolted into the frame of the car. The second half of the dash that I have already recovered was glued in. I might use screws that match the screws in the RS door panels for the second half of the dash to make sure things don't move around.

kkinzli 01-14-2013 01:56 PM

Deshodt,

I think that having the windshied off is crucial for installing the dash especially if you have a one piece dash. Why do you need a windshield to drive you car home? Just get a pair of good goggles and you are good to go. A pair like the ones below from Indiana Jones and Last Crusade might suffice.;)



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69BahamaYellow 01-14-2013 04:36 PM

contact adhesive for recovering dash
 
Awesome project. I completed a similar restoration about 5 years ago and need to warn you about using the Weldwood contact adhesive for the vinyl bits (including the dash). It's great stuff for the home, but it can't take the summer heat and your beautifully fitted vinyl will start comming loose in 6-8 months. The spray on 3M high temp contact adhesive is a little better, but it can't take Texas heat, and I suspect Florida heat is just as bad. That said, I HIGHLY recommend using Landau top adhesive from an automotive upholstry shop for all your vinyl. This stuff will take the heat.


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