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nicfranc 12-20-2012 09:11 PM

Great Job !!

Have you come up with a ballpark figure of what it cost in $$$$
I know you have a lot of sweat and love invested.
Certainly worth it.

Enjoy your ride.

but you might have to rename it now.
It is way to nice to be called the "Rat" now.
How about something like the "Minx" ?

95avblm3 12-21-2012 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkinzli (Post 7161434)
Hi Jeremy,

Just before we left for NM on Tuesday I took my wife out for a spin around the block. We made sure to have sun glasses on, closed our mouths, and made sure to avoid dusk so that we did not eat bugs ;). I don't think the Skiff is off topic because a) it has an engine b) I have it in my signature and c) I need to rebuild the engine on my Johnson 30hp. Mine is a center console 2004 and it has been a great boat for running around Estero Bay fishing and just for cruising with family. Hopefully I can get her back in the water once the Rat is done.

I am not really sure about the flywheel but I have a feeling I will be redoing the clutch within the next year or so. I have not had the engine out and I still don't really know what size motor I have. It might be a 2.0 or a 2.2. The only thing I do know is that the cylinder barrels are cast iron which makes it a T. The case has no stamping but I do have the chain tensioner upgrade. Once I drop the engine I will know more about the shape of my flywheel and hopefully what I have powering the Rat. When I drop the engine I plan on attacking the triangle of death and hope to seal up all of the leaks. I also plan on repainting the engine bay, refreshing the rear suspension, painting and patching the heat exchangers, and blasting and painting the exhaust.

I hope you have a Merry Christmas up in Tampa!

Kristoph,

Merry Christmas to you and yours and safe travels to NM!

My Carolina was a '95 with a '96 Yamaha 30 2-stroke which just keeps going and going. We replaced with a 2000 Hurricane with its original (first MY if I'm not mistaken) Yamaha F115, which is a 4-stroke. I pulled the powerhead on it a year ago to reseal the oil pan (I guess you could say it has its own triangle of death:rolleyes:) ). After some fairings, electrical connectors and linkages, only 6 bolts held it on, so it turned out to be a pretty easy job. Sounds like you have to dig deeper on your Johnson but the good news is you'll have 360 degree access to do so! :D

Enjoy your break from working on the Rat. I'm sure it will be glad to see you in a few weeks!

Cheers!
Jeremy

twtony 12-22-2012 12:50 AM

"The Triangle of Death"

I've just spat my tea out!

Even though I had to drop my engine and gearbox, that was one job I baulked at

You've summed it up perfectly!

Have a great Christmas Kristoph

kkinzli 12-22-2012 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicfranc (Post 7162879)
Great Job !!

Have you come up with a ballpark figure of what it cost in $$$$
I know you have a lot of sweat and love invested.
Certainly worth it.

Enjoy your ride.

but you might have to rename it now.
It is way to nice to be called the "Rat" now.
How about something like the "Minx" ?

Thanks! I am planning on putting a figure together in January once I have finished up. I have kept all of the reciepts back to 2008 so I should be able to get a decently accurate number. I am not sure about renaming the car but will certainly consider it as it is no longer ratty.

kkinzli 01-06-2013 07:21 AM

Hi everyone! I am back in Florida and itching to finish up the Rat so I can drive it again. The last remaining steps in the coming few weeks will be:

Recovering the dash
Installing front and rear glass
Refinishing shift linkage cover
Addresing rear driver light issues
Trunk carpet
Cleaning engine bay
Getting an alignment / appraisal

I got some great wrenches from my wife for Christmas for my tool kit, which is now completed. I will take some pictures of what I have in my tool kit and post later today. It is far from the original tool kit but it will work great.

kkinzli 01-06-2013 03:37 PM

Day 91: Putting the tool kit together. For Christmas I got some wrenches from my wife:)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357515210.jpg

Here are some pictures of the tool kit I assembled. I know it is not original but I had plenty of spare tools in the garage and I think this is a much more pragmatic approach than spending $1000 for a tool kit. I added a few things such as duct tape, wire, an extra coil and rotor, a few sets of points and a few other things.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357515354.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357515373.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357515396.jpg

I oiled the jack and tested it as well. Someday I will refinish the jack and the lug wrench.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357515442.jpg

RWebb 01-06-2013 04:23 PM

keep that "crippler" jack in your concours box and put an Al scissors jack from a 944 in your trunk

kkinzli 01-09-2013 07:43 PM

I was finally able to go through all of the reciepts and get a cost estimate of my restoration. The estimate below is broken up into several catergories and is as detailed as I could possibly make it. Keep in mind that I did no engine or tranny work and still need to recover the seats sometime in the future. I will also need to refinish the wheels. I did all of the work myself except the paint and some body work on the fenders and doors. The compiled list below covers from 2008 until today. The grand total for everything including the price of the car is $18,593.00


Original Purchase Price
Non-running condition $4,000.00


Paint and Body Work
Final Block and Paint $1,750.00
Body Work and Epoxy Primer on Deck Lid, Fenders, Roof, Bumper and Rockers $1,000.00
Body Work and Epoxy Primer on Trunk Lid, and Doors $1,230.00
Media Blasting $400.00
3M Undercoating (20 cans) $200.00
Epoxy Primer $300.00
Floor Pan Pieces from 72 911 $200.00
Black Spray Paint (5 cans) $80.00
Gallons of Ospho (2) $50.00
Internal Frame Coating (2 cans) $55.00
Seam Sealer (3 tubes) $40.00
Sheet Steel $50.00
Paint Stripper $80.00
Sum $5,435.00


Seals
Terostat Ribbon (5m) $60.00
Torsion Bar Cover Seals (2) $3.50
Front Vent Grill Seal $27.00
Rear Window Seal $91.00
Hood Crest Seal $9.00
Light Drain Tubes (4) $13.00
Rear Bumperette Plugs (4) $4.00
Fuel Tank Seal $22.00
Front Bumper to Body Seal $31.00
Horn Grill Seal (2) $10.00
Turn and Taillight Seals (4) $60.00
Rubber Stops for Decklid and Hood (4) $7.00
Windshield Seal $80.00
Quarter Glass Seal (2) $120.00
Door Glass Felt Brush (2) $100.00
Decklid Seal $16.00
Liscense Plate Panel to Body Seal $9.00
Rear Bumper to Body Seal (2) $28.00
Door Seals (2) $100.00
Fender to Cowl Seal (2) $14.00
Cork Gas Level Sender Seal $6.00
Sum $810.50

Glass
Front Windshield $270.00

Exterior Trim
Speednuts (18) $27.00
Engine Stickers $95.00
Rear Bumper Reflector (2) $144.00
Front Bumper Smile S-Wide Trim $97.00
Rocker Panel Aluminum Molding (2) $160.00
Rocker Trim Endcaps (4) $60.00
Rear Bumper Deco Molding S- Wide Trim (2) $160.00
Windshield Washer Jet Chrome (1) $21.00
All Four Signal Lenses - Reproduction $250.00
Horn Grills (2) $70.00
Durant Repro Mirror $60.00
Sum $1,144.00

Interior
Headliner $140.00
Thermocoustic Liner $150.00
Headliner End Rubber Plugs $26.00
Engine Compartment Sound Mat $55.00
Shift Knob $108.00
ABS Floorboards (2) $150.00
Basket Weave Dash Face Material (1 roll) $24.00
Carpet Kit -Perlon $600.00
Trunk Carpet Kit $105.00
Trunk Lid Shocks (2) and Decklid Shock (1) $55.00
Hot Air Hose $40.00
3M Spray Adhesive (3 cans) $55.00
Weldwood Contact Cement $25.00
Tool Kit Pouch and Tools $250.00
Sum $1,783.00

Doors
Door plugs $23.00
Snap Clips (6) $26.00
Door Panel Moisture Membrane (2) $7.00
Window Crank $12.00
Sum $68.00

Suspension/ Brakes/ Drivetrain
Speedometer Drive Seal $4.00
A Arm Bushing Kit - Polygraphite $20.00
Air Filter $20.00
Swepco 201 (2) $110.00
Speedometer Angle Drive $175.00
Speedometer Cable $50.00
Brake Rebuild Kit (4) $60.00
Brake Rebuild Assembly Lube $6.00
Dow Corning Silicon Lube $35.00
Ball Joints and Pins $190.00
Brake Master Cylinder $150.00
Speed Bleeder Valves (4) $40.00
Front Sway Bar Bushings (set) $50.00
Clutch Spring $8.00
Tie Rod Ends (2) $20.00
Front and Rear Rubber Brake Lines $80.00
Bushings for Shift Linkage $35.00
Throttle Bushings $20.00
Bronze Pedal Bushing Kit $15.00
Zenith Rebuild Kit $120.00
Rear Brake Rotors $150.00
Brake Pad Set Rear $34.00
Turbo Valve Covers (2) and Gaskets $120.00
Fan Belt $9.00
Sum $1,521.00

Electrical
Two Deka Side Terminal Batteries $130.00
Low Voltage - 12 Volt Relay Kit $35.00
Distributor Cap $17.00
Condensor and Points (2) $18.00
Starter $115.00
Hella Horn Kit $50.00
Windshield Washer Pump $36.00
Alternator with Internal Regulator $400.00
Horn Contact Switch $24.00
Relays for Horn and Flashers $30.00
Assorted Wire, Bulbs and Fittings $100.00
Sum $955.00

Hardware
Electroplating $150.00
Fender Bolt Hardware Kit $30.00
Horn Grill Hardware Kit $7.00
Miscellaneous Stainless Steel Screws $150.00
Sum $337.00

Tires and Wheels
205/55R -15 Kumho Ecsta ASX (4) $460.00
6" by 15" Fuchs (4) $550.00
Sum $1,010.00

Tools and Garage Setup
Compressor, Air Tools, Makita Grinder, Drill, Sand Blast Gun $800.00
Stripping disks, grinding disks, dremel attachments, wire wheels $250.00
Carb Float Gage $34.00
Carb Syncrometer $40.00
Feeler Gage with Blades $34.00
Transmission Fluid Pump $12.00
Plastic Boxes for Parts $50.00
350 Ziploc Bags with Sliders $40.00
Sum $1,260.00

Advice from Pelicans
Priceless :-)

nicfranc 01-09-2013 09:32 PM

Great Stuff !
So $14,593 in materials and repairs and you provided almost all of the labor.

Thank You for taking the time and effort to share this information and your story.
That is a useful breakdown of what you spent.
and that is without any significant engine work.

The big Question is:
Knowing what you know now…….
WOULD YOU DO IT AGAIN ?



I think I am going to just drive the hell out my 911 and fix it as I go.
Seat of my pants mechanics………. Mr. Muir style.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1357795898.jpg

kkinzli 01-10-2013 05:32 AM

[QUOTE=nicfranc;7199651]Great Stuff !

The big Question is:
Knowing what you know now…….
WOULD YOU DO IT AGAIN ?


I think I am going to just drive the hell out my 911 and fix it as I go.
Seat of my pants mechanics………. Mr. Muir style.

[QUOTE=nicfranc;7199651]

I would indeed do it again. If I don't count my time I am still positive in terms of the cars value. I was able to borrow a welder from Pete which brought the cost down a little and will of course keep the $800 in tools and equipment for other projects in the future. Keep in mind I already had a pretty solid tool setup before I ever started this endeavor. During this entire process I learned quite a bit about Porsches and cars in general and gained a lot of useful skills such as welding, painting, interior carpet and vinyl. Having essentially rebuilt a car I have a much better appreciation of these vehicles.

I started off this project with your "fix it as I go" approach and did that from 2008 until the spring of 2012 when I decided to do the paint. Best of luck with your car!

wachuko 01-10-2013 05:48 AM

Dude!!

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...3B4A2958B1.jpg

DaddyGlenn 01-10-2013 05:59 AM

I would subtract the tools etc, from your total as they are not part of the car and can be used over and over.

Not too bad for total cost. I'm terrified to add up my receipts. So I just won't do it. I will remain content knowing how much I still need to spend. And that is a secret, too. :D

Slow Steve 01-10-2013 06:10 AM

Great build and thread. Thank you for posting it. Quick question. Where did you get the windshield? Online?

Daves911L 01-10-2013 07:25 AM

Better hope Anna doesn't read your posts!

That's why I don't keep receipts. It hurts too much when you add them all up. On the other hand, you are probably one of the very few who is not seriously upside down on a project car.

DG

wayner 01-10-2013 07:34 AM

This is a great thread.

I like the detailed cost breakdown, and particularly like that you pointed out for others that this was not a summer project but took much longer.

It was fantastic that you originally got it running so quickly (likely due to the climate it was stored in).

Very exciting end result!

kkinzli 01-10-2013 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slow Steve (Post 7199961)
Great build and thread. Thank you for posting it. Quick question. Where did you get the windshield? Online?

I got the windshield through Mikes Auto Glass in Fort Myers. I actually didn't pay for the windshield as Florida Law requires your insurance company to replace a damaged windshield. I thought I would include it in the total cost so others would have an idea.

kkinzli 01-10-2013 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyGlenn (Post 7199944)
I would subtract the tools etc, from your total as they are not part of the car and can be used over and over.

Not too bad for total cost. I'm terrified to add up my receipts. So I just won't do it. I will remain content knowing how much I still need to spend. And that is a secret, too. :D

Eventually I am sure I will use the tools but I could not have done the project without them so I figured I would include in the total price.

kkinzli 01-10-2013 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner (Post 7200070)
This is a great thread.

I like the detailed cost breakdown, and particularly like that you pointed out for others that this was not a summer project but took much longer.

It was fantastic that you originally got it running so quickly (likely due to the climate it was stored in).

Very exciting end result!

Thanks Wayner! If this car had been from anywhere else I would still be welding!

kkinzli 01-10-2013 08:47 AM

Thanks Wachuko for the massive thumbs up!!:)

matt gineo 01-10-2013 09:44 AM

I put off totaling all my receipts since I purchased my 76 Targa because I didn't really want to know the outcome. Well I finally did the math and I am definitely underwater with the car (not surprised) . But guess what, I don't really care, she looks great and runs great and I'm having a blast driving it!!

I couldn't afford the cash to buy one that was already in good condition so I bought one in fairly good condition (zero rust, very good paint, chrome, interior etc) Then I slowly put the money into it and had fun driving it at the same time.


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