Model Year of this car.... 77 or 78

[Jonny042]

Hello all,

I am considering looking more closely at this car as it for sale. Advertised as a 1977 S but it sure looks like an SC to me..... rear fenders are the biggest giveaway for me.

I thought there might be someone eagle eyed enough to spot something more definitive.

Thanks!

1977 911 S - a set on Flickr

[IROC]

Well, it says "911 SC" on the back. It is a Euro model, though. Door trim and rear bumperettes are a give-away. The car was probably mfg in 1977 but is a 1978 model. VIN will tell, obviously. The tire size sticker in the one picture lists 205/55 and 225/50 tires - those we not available on a 1977 S.

[911JeffS]

Jonny042-

I think its a 77 and someone tried in vane to update it! The crome trim around the window is painted, yes 79 and later but like the SC. The top rail of the door interior tan like door panel. Look at the dash, the oil temp gauge 77 only. I would get the vin from the seller to be sure. That is snow on the ground so look out for public enemy #1 RUST! Good Luck!

[huba]

Hey! I think the engine and tranny are missing. (Ha,Ha)

[Hoss911sc]

really rough. No centre vents on dash so that must be a dash cover ...

[Jonny042]

Originally Posted by huba

Hey! I think the engine and tranny are missing. (Ha,Ha)

Well, I guess it exists somewhere because the ad says "it has a broken crank, but the rest of the engine is fine". LOL you can't make this stuff up.

It's really sad that such a fine car can be neglected to such an extent. At least we are approaching a point where a basket case like that could be worth saving.

Still no definitve answer on the year of car, not that it really matters.... but to me if it's a 78 then the rear flares haven't been "scabbed" on, would be one less thing to fix during a rebuild.

[Jbp]

Engine in -77 2,7 and -78 3,0 in my belive.



Jocke.

[sailchef]

The euro side markers and U.S front directionals/running lights in the bumper are a contradiction. I don't think they came with both. I may be wrong.

Just my.02.

Checking for rust should be high priority on this one.

[T77911S]

the oil temp/pressure gauge does not look like my 77.
if there is no engine, you might be better off if it is a 77. for one, you can get it cheaper and i have been told 2 stories, one is the 77 was the first year the cars were galvanized but had thinner metal so the bodies were lighter, the other is, that it is not true.

nice steering wheel.

the door pockets look newer than my 77 and i dont have the headlight sprayers either.

best bet is the VIN number, but liek i said, if you dont have the big port motor from the 78, it is nothing special, IMO.

check the quality of the rear fender add on. butt welded is better.

[widgeon13]

Is there an engine that goes w/ it? It's an SC body but what diff does it make as long as you don't have to spend 5 grand to put flares on it. If you really want a narrow body mid series then this is not for you.

How much are they asking for it?

[Jonny042]

The presence or absence of the 3.0 "big port" engine would be a factor on this car. That's why I started the thread.

If it's an original SC body I would consider it worth looking at... if it's a 1977 and a bastardized one, at that, I think I will walk away.

Hence the purpose of this thread. I don't want to start asking a bunch of questions when the owner obviously thinks it a '77 S.

They are asking $5k firm. Not sure about that again depends on the engine/body originality.

PS-I am looking for a ground-up, bare metal, rotisserie type project, not a driver.

Originally Posted by widgeon13

Is there an engine that goes w/ it? It's an SC body but what diff does it make as long as you don't have to spend 5 grand to put flares on it. If you really want a narrow body mid series then this is not for you.

How much are they asking for it?

[IROC]

Originally Posted by T77911S

the oil temp/pressure gauge does not look like my 77.

Interestingly, it is the same gauge as in my '76.

[PeterRT]

Originally Posted by sailchef

The euro side markers and U.S front directionals/running lights in the bumper are a contradiction. I don't think they came with both.

At that time, Euro cars came with neither, the side repeaters were introduced in '81.
Pretty wild mix in there, dash and door trim seem to be even pre 77.

[Hugo930]

5k Firm?

That car looks like a pile of shiite. Rotisserie resto? So much easier to start with a nicer car, spend an extra 3 or 4k and you'll thank me later.

[Jonny042]

I am thinking this car is not worth pursuing. In fact I am done.

But Hugo brings up an interesting point. I have been casually looking (and will continue to do so) for a 78-79 SC to do a "Hot Rod" project. An outlet for all the evil thoughts and crazy mods I would like to do to my 87 Coupe but probably shouldn't.

My car is too nice to mess with other than take care of all the million little things it will always need but really it's a survivor and will stay that way. Hence the need for a project.

But.... is it just me or are even halfway decent, driving, SC's in the 13-15 range?

Anything that starts under its own power seems to be commanding a good price, but I am willing to bet that underneath the shiny resprays and vinyl seat covers that most of these cars are really not that much better than the one we're looking at.

Originally Posted by Hugo930

5k Firm?

That car looks like a pile of shiite. Rotisserie resto? So much easier to start with a nicer car, spend an extra 3 or 4k and you'll thank me later.

[NeedSpace]

$5000 does seem kind of high. I wouldn't call it a basket case, as it does have potential. I would check very closely for rust as this could promote it to "basket case status". That rust just under the windshield would suggest a lot of other rust underneath which could spell a lot of metal work in the future.

It does appear to have a mish-mosh of parts from a number of different models so I don't see any pure reason to think any particular model. The paint on the window chrome is coming off in a peculiar way, which suggests to me that it is added later. I defer judgment for the more experienced on this aspect.

I would also check the CDI. If 3 pin 77 if 6 pin 78...unless the cdi of course wasn't original.

[T77911S]

$5k.

it would first depend on the motor. if it is a big port or not.
seems some people see "porsche" and put a big price tag on it.

if it is a 77, i would still consider it. depends on the flare job and rust. just not at that price and again, motor-yes or no.

a 3.0 core alone will go for about $3k.

[Hugo930]

I would call for some patience and you should be able to find a very tired but in good condition SC or early 3.2, even the 77s were fairly ok rust wise.

That pic with the paint peeling off, sitting outside just doesn't do a great deal for me. If you're going to take it down to metal, why does it need to be an SC? You could also look at Targas and weld a roof on it.

[Jbp]

The -77 shud have a vin 911720xxxxx if 911 us coupe s and a 3 in the 5th dig in vin is a
japan 911/911s. 6 in the 5th dig shud make it a 3,0 carrera.

The -78 begins whith 911820xxxx if 911sc (us3,0) and a 3 in 5th dig is a 911sc row.
Did take this info from Bruce Anderson book.


Jocke.

[unclebilly]

Dash is the same as my 77. If you look at the tire sticker, it calls out 16" tires. Could you get 16" in 77? Could this be a euro Carreras? Look at the vin.