converting a 911 to 964
 

Hi guys , im new to porsche and on this forum.
I bought a 86 coupe 911 but i like to change the rear and front fender to one of a 964.
Some people here who can give me some advice and people who allready done this.
Is it much of a modification?
greetz

mine was done when i got it ...Better Bodies kit .. no fender work needed .. its front bumper, rear bumper and rear lights and rocker covers .. the rear light invole some cutting and modification .. completed by the bolt in of H5 style front lights ... some go to the far end and do the interior nut mine is just exterior ...
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Steve

its a 1980 SC

ye thats the look i want.. but what you mean with cutting for the rear light? and i just buy 964 bumpers and it fits?
greetz

PLEASE don't take this the wrong way, but are you sure this is the appropriate first step for your new '86 coupe? It took me quite some time and quite a bit of $$$ to get my 86 targa mechanically sorted out. During the process, I learned firsthand the concept that every 911 is a $20k+ car.

Specifically, many carreras (mine included) suffer from premature valve guide wear, necessitating an overhaul of the engine's top end ($5-6k). Similarly, many 915 transmissions may require rebuilds to address grinding issues, etc. (or at the very least coupler rebuilds/alignments). Most of the suspension bushings may require replacement, etc.

Bottom line, you might want to seriously consider getting your new 911 mechanically sorted and driving like new before starting to make cosmetic changes. Especially since changing a 911's cosmetics to a non-original state generally decreases our cars' value. Put another way, if you're heart's set on the 964 look, you might want to consider flipping your carrera and simply buying a 964, which can be had fairly cheap these days and would offer you abs, air bags, a more powerful 3.6 liter motor, a g50 transmission and a working retractable rear spoiler.

Food for thought

I would do it, lot of weight savings, esp on the rear which is where you want to save weight. save the old bumpers, they practicaly come off as a whole assy.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331237726.jpg
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Hi,

Here is a recent thread with some of the issues.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/620617-c2-bumpers-82-sc.html

The degree of difficulty depends on whether you want to use OEM parts (need some fabrication) or aftermarket (some fab work done already).

DonGilbert ... that is a sick car .. I remember the first time I saw it after your paint ...

The light mounts for the rear are different and so is the reflector mount ... they have kits you can buy that make it easier ... and as gilbert said the weight savings is drastic .. Just losing the bumperets if they are the us style are almost 40lbs then lose the weight of the bumper and you just lost a chunk ... I had the weight of my car somewhere but I think it was like 250 + lbs lighter than it came from the factory which by the conversion of weight to HP makes a BIG difference .. the PO also got the C4 style "cup" wheels exterior wise mine can fool a lot from 10 ft .. I have had people look under to ensure I had torsion bars when I told them it was an SC >>>>



Front easy .. rear bumper easy ... rims just buy .. headlights just buy ... tail and reflector that's the time involver .........

Steve

I heard somewhere that you can use the rear shocks for the front bumper if you go factory and the fab rear up ... but ...

Also remember ... it is your car .. make it make you happy .. I just bought another Porsche .. a 914 this time and I drove it a whole 120 miles and about 95 of that was the way home ... then it went in the garage and now has the rear lights and the trunk torn apart and then its on to fixing a few cracks at the flare attachment points ...

Steve

some companies sell the rear bumper cap that matches your stock tail lights, put the rear heat shield in. I love mine also, Kevinhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331270519.jpg

It also depends on whether or not you want to run the front fog lights or the brake ducts. On my SC the front shocks ended up fouling the fog lights, so I had to work around it. I used the front shocks on the rear bumper.

Here is my version.

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Very nice Jim ... I do like the looks with the lights ... I have the ducts .. and due to the new additions I guess I will wait longer to look at doing the fogs ....

Thanks. The left hand side fog light is a pain to install. There is so much going on with the inner bumper and washer tank that I had to install it from the front. Everything works, fog lights and head light washers.

i have a full set of rear lights in good shape that i am not going to need. also have a set of H5's but each has a chip in the glass. PM me if you want to make offer.
cheers, haas

okay lil update my engine just hade a maintance and it has e G50 gearbox so im guessing it can take some more miles..
Now for the conversion i really want it.
But i was thinking of taking oem parts not fake..
And if i get it i can use airducts in the front bumper and keep those crashshocks?

somebody have more pics of a conversion? like what to do with those crashshock?
greetz

IHMO, I wouldn't do that kind of conversion. Buying the parts,hack the rear end, having them painted all this will cost you $$$ and at the end you still left with a "old" suspension, less powerful engine. I would sell the Carrera and buy a 964 instead....

Just my 2cents

car wil be painted anyways and who says i aint upgrading the suspension? 3.2l is good enuf for me and i want to keep an oldtimer cause its cheap to ensure etc

Hi
Mine is a 911s -74 with 965 style. 3.3t,sc cams,k27.930g.box.
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Jocke.

How about IROC style bumpers?

verry nice thats how i want mine to look like but allso with the 964 engine cover with elektric spoiler.
Got any tips on how to mount the fenders?

Still wouldn't do it :). But we are all grown up and enjoy our cars. Good luck and keep us in the loop.

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with elec spoiler

Here's mine 1974 911s w/ 3.6
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Here is d rear
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This is how I bought it..

wow massive change , but anybody with some pic how you changed it? of some advice , lose the origi shocks in the front? and just buy that aluminum piece thats behind the fender?

Front fenders are 930 and rear is welded.
Aal steel.


Jocke.

Here is an OUTSTANDING update / conversion

It had be seriously thinking about an update....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/478205-pics-my-car-local-car-show.html#post4703099 (by supercarrera82)

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verry nice man

bought it this wayhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331470447.jpg

guys what exhaust do you use for dual outlet? and post more pics of the back fender. do you use a rubber between the fender and the body?

on mine its a modified stock single out at the drivers side .. thats the give away on mine ..

ye im looking for a 2 out that fits the 964 rearfender

If ya need a Factory rear bumper...
I have a Very Nice one!

no bumpers needed only an exhaust , but im from belgium soo shipping is a pain in the butt :)

damn guys i need some help i cant find a dual exhaust that fits my conversion bumper 964
greetz

Many years ago I had B&B make me a single in twin out system for my 930 with 964 bumpers. You’re probably better off having a muffler shop build you something custom. Seems a more common approach these days is to route the wastegate to an exhaust tip on the driver side with single in/out muffler to the passenger side.

My current setup is more about saving weight...


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ye i was thinking of adjusting some kind of muffler , you know dansk has one with 1 in 2 out but these come to wide.. wont find apperently

the muffler is just a big chamber, you can cut a whole for an outlet in the opposite side, reduce the tail pipe to 2-1/2 or 2-1/4, the b&b stuff you can see the imprint on the muffler where the tail pipe should be cut, Kevin

ye no you dont understand , my read bumper has 2 holes in it.. i just need a muffler with 2 outletpipes :)

Theres alot of great looking cars in this thread

Cheers

Cain