Console Removal? I'm stuck...

[Hydrocket]

I've read through the sorta-tutorials, and either they're missing something, or I am!

1) I took out the 4 screws (black) that hold the front console cover on. Removed cover.

2) There were 2 more screws (zinc plated) underneath the cover I removed. I assume those held in the A/C controls. I removed those screws.

3) I removed the 2 knobs from the A/C controls, then I removed the retaining collars on the 2 A/C control rheostats.

4) Removed single screw at rear of console. Right under the parking brake handle.

And here I am...stuck. Everything is still solid. Nothing wiggles or moves. The console is still solid, the A/C knobs still solid (though they do push back some..but not enough to come out). SOLID. And I was being pretty forceful. I can't imagine you have to pull any harder than I have dared to already.

So what am I missing here? Please help...my Rennshift wants in!!

[86 911 Targa]

Originally Posted by Hydrocket

I've read through the sorta-tutorials, and either they're missing something, or I am!

1) I took out the 4 screws (black) that hold the front console cover on. Removed cover.

2) There were 2 more screws (zinc plated) underneath the cover I removed. I assume those held in the A/C controls. I removed those screws.

3) I removed the 2 knobs from the A/C controls, then I removed the retaining collars on the 2 A/C control rheostats.

4) Removed single screw at rear of console. Right under the parking brake handle.

And here I am...stuck. Everything is still solid. Nothing wiggles or moves. The console is still solid, the A/C knobs still solid (though they do push back some..but not enough to come out). SOLID. And I was being pretty forceful. I can't imagine you have to pull any harder than I have dared to already.

So what am I missing here? Please help...my Rennshift wants in!!

Hope this helps:



pm me as needed

Good luck,

Gerry

[Hydrocket]

Thanks for the pic...but it doesn't really help. I have the required screws removed. I have almost zero play still. I'm totally clueless here. And I'm an engineer, so it's not like I just fell off the turnip truck! LOL

[DRACO A5OG]

Okay, did you remove the two screws that go into the tunnel via fast nuts?

[86 911 Targa]

Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG

Okay, did you remove the two screws that go into the tunnel via fast nuts?

I don't think he did.

I've had mine out twice, and there are only three speednut screws (Items #3 on the picture)
that hold the console to the floor.

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG

Okay, did you remove the two screws that go into the tunnel via fast nuts?

The 2 screws that go in approx. where Figure 3/13 is in the drawing?(one on either side) If so..then, yes.

As I said..it's tight. Seems like the hang up is in the A/C control area. I don't have enough play to detach the controls, and certainly not enough play to remove the console.

[86 911 Targa]

Originally Posted by Hydrocket

The 2 screws that go in approx. where Figure 3/13 is in the drawing?(one on either side) If so..then, yes.

As I said..it's tight. Seems like the hang up is in the A/C control area. I don't have enough play to detach the controls, and certainly not enough play to remove the console.

Do you have a Bentley?

Did you remove #11 & 12?

5 & 15 have to removed with the control nuts removed,

Then the connections on the back of both controls disconnected
will allow the console to be lifted & rotated towards the driver's seat for removal.

[Hydrocket]

No Bentley here...didn't think I would need it to merely remove a console.

Is it really that complicated?? (apparently is is?) LOL

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by 86 911 Targa

Do you have a Bentley?

Did you remove #11 & 12?

Odd...I seem to have neither 12 or 11 in the way the diagram shows. There certainly was no screw, and the white plastic piece is solid..no screw can go through it. I've enclosed a pic I snapped with my phone. It looks like a hole in the photo I attached...but that's just a recess in the plastic piece. It's solid, and does not go through. Unless this is something different altogether. As you can see though...all screws are out.

[DRACO A5OG]

If it has never been removed before, it may feel stuck buti it may be stuck at the lever light at the center under the carpet.

Can you post a video? of what you are going thru? As Gerry stated there are only three screws that hold that console, the two sides being the main anchors.

Please take care with the temperature control aluminum white clad sensor wire, it is very very fragile.

[Hydrocket]

I think the issue is with the A/C controls. The knobs and retaining collars are off. But there isn't enough play to push the A/C controls out the back way. They go out the back only until the rheostat stalks are about flush with the face. They won't push out further...or maybe they will and I'm just leery about forcing them after hearing about their delicate nature...

[DRACO A5OG]

For me I did it two ways, time consuming, remove seats and heater control to free up the carpet so I can pull away the tab under the carpet.

Lazy way, everything in but pry the heck of the tab (3rd screw), scary because I almost ripped the carpet. I rather take the time and remove what I need to free up the carpet.

Also if you have a leather boot and rubber underneath, it really is tightly fitted as well.

Gosh I hope I am making sense here???

[DRACO A5OG]

Oh wait, I think I get it now. the knob holder, did you pull down and out. It has tabs on top the retain it in the console, then you can remove the dial mechanisms away from the holder which will give you the slack to pull the console out of the way. It can not be removed without severing the aluminum tube sensor wire. Ask me How I know.

See diagram #5

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG

Gosh I hope I am making sense here???

Yes. It wiggles at the back, so I think the rear of the console is the least of my problems. I think I'm good there.

I believe my issues are with the lack of play/connected wires on the A/C controls..

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG

Oh wait, I think I get it now. the knob holder, did you pull down and out. It has tabs on top the retain it in the console, then you can remove the dial mechanisms away from the holder which will give you the slack to pull the console out of the way. It can not be removed without severing the aluminum tube sensor wire. Ask me How I know.

See diagram #5

So are you saying I'm going to have to ruin something to get the console out?

[DRACO A5OG]

Take a pic of the connections of the wires prior removal to keep them in order

[DRACO A5OG]

Originally Posted by Hydrocket

So are you saying I'm going to have to ruin something to get the console out?

You can remove it but you will have to gently pull the aluminum temperature control aluminum tube wire clad in white, maybe yellowed due to age and heat. It is the sensor that sit in the evaporator in the smuggler's box.

If you are working on the gate or shift rod, there is no need to remove the console, just out of the way. If you are back dating to remove it then yes that sensor needs to be pulled out but putting it back may sever the tube, it is a very soft aluminum tube.

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG

Take a pic of the connections of the wires prior removal to keep them in order

I would if I could get to the disconnect part!! The A/C control box part I have pulled and drooping slightly. Still not enough play to get the knobs all the way out the back though.

Pic enclosed.

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG

If you are working on the gate or shift rod, there is no need to remove the console, just out of the way. If you are back dating to remove it then yes that sensor needs to be pulled out but putting it back may sever the tube, it is a very soft aluminum tube.

I am putting a Rennshift shifter on. I don't see how I can get it on without removing..or at least lifting the console well out of the way.

Either way...at this point I don't have enough slack to do either.

[DRACO A5OG]

Originally Posted by Hydrocket

Okay from this pic, I see you still have the carpets in place, remove to free up the wiring to give you some slack. This should free it up so you can pull the holder out and gain access to the connections.