An AFR of 12.6 is not ideal. At least not if you are tuning for performance. We used to tune all of our race bikes, running on premium pump gas, to no richer than 13:1. On my race bike, I preferred 13.2:1. Based on Steve Wong's data, it seems Porsche engines like that AFR as well.

Scott

Watch it pumpkin - you want some Kool-Aid (at least spell it right) you come get some.

How many of these have you built, tuned and piloted? That's what I thought. STFU newb.

Some of us are trying to help others, for example an EFI ITB kit for the NA 911's that's plug and play...what have you done lately?

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"not a 4 point range as you previously stated."

Where is that stated? The timing was tweaked 3-4 degrees.
The torque curve is fairly flat around 12.6. Check here: Graphs

"At least not if you are tuning for performance. We used to tune all of our race bikes, running on premium pump gas, to no richer than 13:1. On my race bike, I preferred 13.2:1"

And then there are others who believe that it's really 13.333333 that's the ideal, right?

"Some of us are trying to help others, for example an EFI ITB kit for the NA 911's that's plug and play"

Guessed as much? Right, plug & play. And what's the today's bargain price?

You said 4 points, 10.6-14.6 equals little to NO power gains.

I'd like to reiterate what someone else said about "hearing" AFR's. Rich is quiet, lean is loud. Changing sounds is a result of differing power.

Um, do you not even remember your own posts?

Loren, sit down, you come across like a drunk looking for a fight.

Wow, I can't believe I just said that.SmileWavy

:o how many years has he been baiting people to argue? A long time...he still knows it all..just ask him.SmileWavy

I forgot that he was a troll. And I even fed him. :(

We started DZ to support the turbo enthusiasts out there because we were sick of being ripped off with BS parts - question us all you want our reputation speaks for itself.

As for the EFI kit here's the link, you tell me how its just "hype and BS"

$3,378 DZ X-Factory ITB Setup

Done BY enthusiasts FOR enthusiasts. You assemble a product that works so well and package it. Or do you PRODUCE ANYTHING...?

No, I didn't say that. But, and AFR 12.5 certainly is not it if you are tuning for performance!!!

Scott

Your charts are complete BS. However, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? $100,000 cash. Have any pelican member here bring their car to a Dynojet here in So Cal. No turbos, nitrous, 3.4s or 3.5s, variorams etc, but exhaust is free. Just a true standard Carrera 3.2 as you claim. We'll put race gas in it and if you produce ~225 ft-lbs of torque at 5000 rpm, kudos to you and you have my $100k. But if you don't produce that, or a chart anywhere similar to what you claim you did, then it proves your claims are bogus and you loose and pay up $100k. Sounds like a easy win for someone who believes in what they claim right?

Performance Tuning - The Reality

Put your money where your mouth is.

So what is the optimal EFI for a Sc with a recurved dizzy, PMO ITB's/EFI, and 3.2 SS with GT-2 (BC/40 similar) Cams... spirited street... 13.1 across the board?

subscribed. Steve is a good man and I'd like to witness the showdown. :cool:

Steve - you might not be a fellow turbo guy, but you def. have two big K29's having off the back end brother. Kudos - I hope this poser takes the challenge, its funny how so many talk tough but never pony up and show what they've got.

This restores my faith in this board.

STFU x 100,000

Glad to see you back. I'm looking forward to your next adventures here and on FG.





One thing that loren did get right was the title of this thread!

Clearly you have an axe to grind with chip suppliers. ...and don't understand that SW has good customer service.

Seriously, I don't understand why your (nicely concise) statement can't be the end of this.

Oh, right, because this is a pissing contest between a tribe-member and their nay-saying foe.

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Given the number of incomprehensible posts, many need to re-read the initial post.
Also, it's unfortunate that when presented with facts which challenge their outlook,
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of further discussion.