Restoring a 911, but have never driven one.

[jjforland]

Yeah, its really not that difficult. I'm really into puzzles, not that you should consider a porsche engine a puzzle, but with the many unconventional parts, ie...the tensioners, it seems close enough. Well, as a matter of fact, the only problems I've encountered thus far is a CV joint bolt and flywheel bolt that stripped out and had to be cut off. However, it was my fault with the flywheel bolt, as I used a torque wrench to attempt to loosen the bolt. This just didn't pan out with the star patterned socket. All the rest came off very easily, but Murphy's law kicked in on the last bolt. And I'm sure this wasn't the last time this law will be applied.

I don't intend on taking you all away from your passion (porsches), however I would like to introduce to you another passion of mine. As I said before, I enjoy puzzles, and aside from the porsche projects, I have found another very addictive past time. Its a game called Tantrix, and its the most twisted strategy game in the world. I'f you ever suffer from more boredom than you can handle, check it out ... www.tantrix.com. Yeah its a 'game,' but a game for all, despite the age. Basically the most interesting part of the whole thing is you get to play head on with another player and show him that your intelligence is not to be reckoned with. If you ever decide to play ... IM me and i'll play with ya, my screenname is HighIQ. I'm up for a challenge...

~Good day~

[derek murray]

I have only owned my Porsche for about a month. It is my first one, although I have wanted one for many years.

During the past 20 years, I have owned a V8 Vega (yikes), '69 Dart GT Sport, '66 Dodge Coronet with a 440, a Tauraus SHO, a '50 Chevy 1/2 ton with a 327 V8.... lots of hp and lots of steel. But none of them compares to the feeling of owning / driving the Porsche. And to boot the Porsche needs lots of work, which for some reason excites me even more (my wife thinks I'm nuts.... she's probably right).

Have fun.

[Adam]

I used to own a 928 5-speed, which was impressive in a straight line. Then I drove my 911, before I owned it. It was love at first touch. I was blown away by the direct feel and surefootedness (is that a word?). It is stable, agile, eager and cheeky. I love the way the engine note hardens over 3750 rpm and the subsequent boost in power. I love the fact that when it's on the boil, through the gears, there's almost nothing on the road that will catch it.

I love the way I can out-corner other cars on the road, sometimes in near impossible situations and the way I can outbreak other cars with impunity. And my car is mostly stock! When you get it back on the road, lower it as much as is required to give it "the look" and you're laughing.

I also love the way everybody stops and stares; ricers peer over the dashboards of their Civics in awe, middle-aged men spitefully look on with envy, bored housewives gaze sensually into your eyes and you won't be able to wipe the dufus smile off your face!

Cherish that first moment in the 911.

[stuartj]

Adam

If you dont stop that, you will go blind. I know you know very well what a WRX is, not to mention a 6cyl Commode. As for the bored sensuos housewives- what colour is the sky in your world?

cheers stuart

[Adam]

LOL @ stuartj!

Have you got that Monty on your beast yet, Stuart? I bet it sounds fantastic.

[stuartj]

Alas no, one aborted attempt has been made. Having that ridiculous 100mm outlet removed and a 75mm put on. Otherwise I would pick up all Victor's chicks as well.

But I doubt it will do much to help my asthmatic purple VW. Its all I can do to fight my way through the babes to get to work in the mornings.

stuart

[Victor]

Stuart,

I agree, you can't carry the extra inches I can.




Cheers!
VC

[stuartj]

That aviatar is really very concerning. I think you are spending way too much time in that Conmmercial Rd bath house. BTW, any word on my application?
stuart

[Paul W]

Ah...so it's the size of the outlet that accounts for VC's pulling power!

[Adam]

LOL, you guys...

While we're all watching this thread, are we going to have another drive day? I'm keen, but my car may be in having a nicer oil cooler fitted for a couple of days. We should plan it in advance.

Sorry to jjforland for crashing your thread.

[Victor]

Stuart, grow your hair like the bird in that poster and I'm sure you'll be welcomed in bath houses right 'round the globe.

IT'S TIME SOMEONE STARTED USING "SMILEY'S" FOR EVIL INSTEAD OF GOOD AROUND HERE!



Adam, do you have a route in mind for the drive day?

Cheers,
VC '89 3.2

[Adam]

You guys are a pisser!

I'll think a travel route up, Victor. Got any suggestions? The weather might not be as nice as last time, though...

[jluetjen]

Originally posted by jjforland
Well I'm upgrading cams, and having the heads ported...maybe that will help the bottom end?

It depends. The porting on the CIS 2.7S is 35 mm (vs 36 mm on the 2.7 RS and 32mm on the "normal" 2.7 CIS's). Given the restrictions imposed by the CIS, it should be enough for most modifications until you convert to carbs and start using an early S cam or something wilder. Basically when you start winding the motor up to 7000 RPM and beyond. Before you go that far though, you should get some meaningful improvements as described earlier on this thread.

As far as helping the "bottom end" (of the rev range), nothing will help you in that regard in a 911 more then cubic inches. The CIS cams are all pretty mild and so they pull as hard as anything in the lower rev's. To get HP in a 911 without a turbo/supercharger, you'll need to wind up the motor. Think 7000 - 8000 RPM.

I've always respected zealots like you who will buy and work on a neat car for ages before they actually get in and drive it. It sounds too monastic for me, but I'm sure that the "celibecy" will purify your soul!

PS:

I'f you ever suffer from more boredom than you can handle, check it out...

What? With a 911? Boredom is not an option with the list of things that I want to do to it. I'm either working on the list, working to pay for the list or out driving then 911 whenever I can. Oh yeah, and then there is the small matter of a family...

[stevef]

I might as well say this now as I was going to post this anyway.

9 months ago I bought a 69 911 RS conversion as a non runner, Cost me $7000 Canadian ($4500 US) I had never driven a P car but had a lifelong yearning ever since my VW Bug days to own one.
Did a top end engine rebuild myself (rings, valve seats and seals etc), replaced the front suspension pan,( thanks Kurt) retro'd 86 Carrera calipers all round (S type caliper were shot). put on new brake rotors, ball joints, brake hoses, suspension bushings, rebuilt wiper assy, fan assy, rebuilt webers, refurbed fuel tank, new tyres on 8J and 7J rims, cleaned, scrubbed carpets and all interior, etc, etc. Last weekend finally took it out on the road (legally) and got the rings seated so I didn't look like a WW2 battleship laying a smoke screen.
As excited and consumed as I am with this car there were many down periods, am I doing the right thing, have I bitten off more than I can chew, what if I'm spending good money after bad.
How I got through it was with the guys on this website, the JW's, Kurt, Superman, Leland etc,,, always there to provide technical know how and support. 9 months ago I knew squat about how this car works. I have learnt so much in about this legendary design.
So thanks to all named and nameless for your help. My advice to anybody starting the same endeveavour. Use these guys as they had to once used others nto gain knowledge. They'll get you through it.
And the car......wow, what I thought was going to be a w/e driver....can't stop getting into it. Still lotsa things do on it.
Now that I have "taken" so much I can try and give back.
My sincere thanks to all.

[speeder]

Good luck on this project jjforland, you can get any help you need on this board. Before you touch your heads, do a search on this forum on porting/polishing. It is extremely difficult to squeeze more power from these motors due to the efficiency that they were engineered w/ originally. It is not like building a detroit motor,(if that is your background). I'm not saying that you cannot do it, just do your homework first.

As for 911's being slugs off the line, do any of you guys know what they used to call a 7sec. 0-60 car in the late 60's? That's right, "a muscle-car". Don't believe me? Read some old road tests and get back to me. Anything under 7sec. stock was considered blindingly quick, now of course there are 4cyl. cars that would smoke 400c.i. cars in that contest. 911's are quick and feel even faster, so anyone who says differently has a f'ed-up car. Take care and good luck.

P.S.: Typed from an internet cafe in Paris, can't do w/o Pelican fix.

[Superman]

I agree. I can't stop driving mine either. I've had it 2.5 years now, and I'm still asking the wife whether she needs anything at the store. Tonight I will install the backdated exhaust which means gambling with the oil line connection at the aluminum thermostat with fine threads. I'm not wealthy but the thing that scares me most about the possibility of destroying the expensive thermostat...is the fear of not driving the car for a few days. This car thrills me EVERY SINGLE TIME.