BRAID 17" Fuchs Replica Wheels. Input Requested.

[island911]

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

Semi-FORGED actually. And yes, that is proprietary information. Even I don't know!

This is a technical board; and you don't know about the technical aspects of product that your Pushing?

Do you know if the wheel-deal comes with a set of Ginsu knives? ...or a sticker?

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

Our 15" and 16" versions have been well proven on the roads and racetracks of Europe and USA and are quickly becoming the standard replacement for 30 year fatigued wheels.

So you are saying your wheels are as good as 30 y/o fatigued wheels? Because those "30 y/o fatigued wheels" seem to be far and wide the standard for people on this board.

PS, do you understand that when it comes to aluminum, AGE =/= Fatigue; yes? ..no?

[BRAIDusa]

Originally Posted by island911

This is a technical board; and you don't know about the technical aspects of product that your Pushing?

Do you know if the wheel-deal comes with a set of Ginsu knives? ...or a sticker?

So you are saying your wheels are as good as 30 y/o fatigued wheels? Because those "30 y/o fatigued wheels" seem to be far and wide the standard for people on this board.

PS, do you understand that when it comes to aluminum, AGE =/= Fatigue; yes? ..no?

indeed.

[island911]

picking up this chain ...

Originally Posted by island911

hmmm. welds.

I have no doubt that welded aluminum wheels can give some serviceability --some tough miles-- but how many compared to a one-piece forged Fuchs....

IOW, yeah, there will be compromises. Welding aluminum means creating a 'heat affected zone' along the weld. That area will be softer than the parent (forged/spun) material.

...and Aluminum has no stress endurance limit to design to, so, you will likely have fewer cycles (miles) with a welded solution. (assuming the same loading.)

OTOH, if they give say 60%+ life cycle but cost 50%(-) of the fully forged, then it's a win.

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

Someone told me yesterday that the Fuchs are a welded construction too. I'm a little sceptical however.

Originally Posted by island911

The construction of Fuchs wheels has been well documented. -no welds

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

That's what I thought.

Originally Posted by KTL

Lindsey Racing, CarsRUs (Gary Stratton = "sonjay" here on Pelican) and Trudesign have been making welded Fuchs for a very long time. They have held up to the abuse of track driving/racing quite well. Quite a few Pelicans have these wheels and i'm not sure we've seen a problem yet.

I'm not saying island is wrong about the welding. I'm just saying in practice the wheels are holding up pretty good. Braid's rally wheels indicate that too.

Kevin- Comparing the toughness of a Braid rally wheel design - which was designed for/built with pressure casting-- does NOT carry over to knocking off the image )and performance balance of a Fuchs wheel (designed for the forging process).

Certainly Fuchs have had a lot of other imitators. --Often heavy cast pieces. OTOH, Some, like Lindsay, marry a forged center with a forged rim, and end up with nice a balance of weight specific performance in a 17. Jeff Anton's wheels seemed smart too.

But what do we have here in these Braid version of Fuchs knock-offs? Certainly no technical information - just salesman sheet, set to disparage the OE Fuchs and sell whatever it is he has to Sell. :-/

Oh, and an ugly computer picture. There is that too.

[BRAIDusa]

Originally Posted by island911

picking up this chain ...









Kevin- Comparing the toughness of a Braid rally wheel design - which was designed for/built with pressure casting-- does NOT carry over to knocking off the image )and performance balance of a Fuchs wheel (designed for the forging process).

Certainly Fuchs have had a lot of other imitators. --Often heavy cast pieces. OTOH, Some, like Lindsay, marry a forged center with a forged rim, and end up with nice a balance of weight specific performance in a 17. Jeff Anton's wheels seemed smart too.

But what do we have here in these Braid version of Fuchs knock-offs? Certainly no technical information - just salesman sheet, set to disparage the OE Fuchs and sell whatever it is he has to Sell. :-/

Oh, and an ugly computer picture. There is that too.

What is your goal with all this sir?

[island911]

again:

Originally Posted by island911

.But what do we have here in these Braid version of Fuchs knock-offs? Certainly no technical information - just salesman sheet, set to disparage the OE Fuchs and sell whatever it is he has to Sell. :-/

You blew-off OldSpools question on construction, citing proprietary information - seriously?

Do you have some super-secret double probation mfg skillz going on there?

My guess is that it's a cast wheel center, welded into a spun (semi-forged?) rim. - yawn.

[BRAIDusa]

Originally Posted by island911

again:

You blew-off OldSpools question on construction, citing proprietary information - seriously?

Do you have some super-secret double probation mfg skillz going on there?

My guess is that it's a cast wheel center, welded into a spun (semi-forged?) rim. - yawn.

I'm sorry Island911 (is that your real name?), I don't know how to respond to you. I don't know what you want from me. From your other posts you seem to enjoy this sort of aggressive posting. I don't have the energy for it. I'm not good at it. Reading this makes me feel ill and is ruining my day.

I'm just trying to bring a wheel to market that people have been asking me for for a while, using my own money and time. The 15" and 16" versions are out there proving their worth every day, Now, if you'd rather I didn't go ahead with this project, if you think it is a terrible idea, if you think people are going to be harmed please just say so and we'll move on. Then, please return to your eloquent discussions on Pelican's Religion and Politics forum and leave me alone.

[BRAIDusa]

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

I'm sorry Island911 (is that your real name?), I don't know how to respond to you. I don't know what you want from me. From your other posts you seem to enjoy this sort of aggressive posting. I don't have the energy for it. I'm not good at it. Reading this makes me feel ill and is ruining my day.

I'm just trying to bring a wheel to market that people have been asking me for for a while, using my own money and time. The 15" and 16" versions are out there proving their worth every day, Now, if you'd rather I didn't go ahead with this project, if you think it is a terrible idea, if you think people are going to be harmed please just say so and we'll move on. Then, please return to your eloquent discussions on Pelican's Religion and Politics forum and leave me alone.

I forgot to say, if you'd like to continue this discussion please email me at paul@braidusa.com of call me. I'm sure we can sort it out.

[island911]

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

I'm sorry Island911 (is that your real name?), I don't know how to respond to you. I don't know what you want from me. From your other posts you seem to enjoy this sort of aggressive posting. I don't have the energy for it. I'm not good at it. Reading this makes me feel ill and is ruining my day.

I'm just trying to bring a wheel to market that people have been asking me for for a while, using my own money and time. The 15" and 16" versions are out there proving their worth every day, Now, if you'd rather I didn't go ahead with this project, if you think it is a terrible idea, if you think people are going to be harmed please just say so and we'll move on. Then, please return to your eloquent discussions on Pelican's Religion and Politics forum and leave me alone.

Ah, so ignore the call for technical content and turn to make this personal, eh?

You decision there, but you do realize that this is a technical board, right?

...that you just look like a weak sales guy, dancing around the technical details.

g'head, Dance!

[aschen]

can't we all be friends.

I think the request is that it would be nice if some technical specifications of the manufacturing procedures be divulged.

I believe several mfg advertise their wheels as semi forged (enkie I think). Maybe you could hit up one of the technical guys at the plant to release something official.

People like to see specs and ratings when buying $3000+ items with technical applications

[4495]

Originally Posted by jsveb

For a 930: 9 and 11" would be awesome!

Put me down for a set.

[911 tweaks]

i hope braid has a LG liability insirance policy... it only takes ONE incident & it be blamed on his wheel(s)... not trying to put gasoline on a smoldering pile, but... tech info is needed before I buy ANYTHING... not going to risk my arse to maybe save a few bucks a/o try a new product...
this looks like a nice offering, but, I would run this business & proposition differently... jmho...

[wayner]

I think that people are asking the wrong question.

Cast versus forged is very dated.
These days there are many more manufacturing techniques (BBS flow forming for example).

In fact right on the BBS site they state that "the word "forged" has become quite a popular in the aftermarket wheel industry, however not all forged wheels are created equally, just as not all cast wheels are the same."

Rather than focusing on the construction technique, why not focus on the attributes of the wheels that the technique produces?
-weight
-strength
etc.

Unlike some of the el-cheapo copies of the past, the Braid man asserts that they have been used in many race applications, but the Braid web site already states fact that the wheels pass tough TUV testing standards.

I'm sure the good people at TUV can do a better job of determining if a wheel is safe or not than my amateur guess based on a mild understanding of metallurgy.

Maybe someone can comment on the TUV standard?

[clutch-monkey]

braid have a pretty strong reputation, anyone in the rally scene has known of or used their products.. no different to their fuchs. (never been cheap though!!)

ironic that yanks flock to ****ty knock offs like the rotas but now a quality fuchs copy arrives and gets grilled. lol

[dtw]

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

I'm sorry Island911 (is that your real name?), I don't know how to respond to you. I don't know what you want from me. From your other posts you seem to enjoy this sort of aggressive posting. I don't have the energy for it. I'm not good at it. Reading this makes me feel ill and is ruining my day.

Don't worry about it. There's no answer you could give, no matter how technically satisfying, that would cause him to drop his bullying and condescending tone. He's been like this for years. If you think he's bad in this thread, try engaging in a discussion about Apple products or liberal politics.

When called on his piss-poor internet-tough-guy attitude, he just throws it back in the face of the person, just like he did to you. My understanding is that he's pretty tolerable in real life, so there must be some deep-seated issues at work that cause him to act like this on the internet. Watch, now that I've called him out too, he'll jump on me.

Good luck with your wheels. Disclaimer: sorry, but I just bought a set of Fikses

Hey Glenn, I bought 15 shares of AAPL today. Go.

[mreid]

TUV is good enough for me. In fact, I have a set of Braid 9&11x15 on my RSR hot rod. They're badass:

[DaveMcKenz]

Originally Posted by mreid

TUV is good enough for me. In fact, I have a set of Braid 9&11x15 on my RSR hot rod. They're badass:

Nice car!
Wheels look great too.
Dave

[TRE Cup]

FWIW: The Porsche Racing Series in Northern California has a LOT of competitive racers using the Braid "fuchs" . The rims are accepted by major race organizations in europe, and seen on many 911 racers there too.

As the other poster said, having TUV approval is VERY good.

[island911]

Originally Posted by clutch-monkey

...
ironic that yanks flock to ****ty knock offs like the rotas but now a quality fuchs copy arrives and gets grilled. lol

This thread has been alive for Years - show me the grilling. ...then go look at the true grilling Rota got.

OTOH, While the Rota's are maybe a bit heavy, they did manage better styling - really, simply sized up Fuchs. Anyway, I can see why people, going for a look, buy those.

Originally Posted by dtw

Don't worry about it. There's no answer you could give, no matter how technically satisfying, that would cause him to drop his bullying and condescending tone. He's been like this for years. If you think he's bad in this thread, try engaging in a discussion about Apple products or liberal politics.

When called on his piss-poor internet-tough-guy attitude, he just throws it back in the face of the person, just like he did to you. My understanding is that he's pretty tolerable in real life, so there must be some deep-seated issues at work that cause him to act like this on the internet. Watch, now that I've called him out too, he'll jump on me.

Good luck with your wheels. Disclaimer: sorry, but I just bought a set of Fikses

Hey Glenn, I bought 15 shares of AAPL today. Go.

Really... you spend paragraphs calling me out ... to what end? Just to be a Dick?

This guy, pushing his wheels to the technical crowd here, is dancing around a legit, reasonable question, from another forum member, and here you are giddy for the opportunity to be a Dick?
So insecure about your APPL fanboyness and Liberal leanings that you have to resort to personal attacks? Did BRAIDusa's personal attacks make it feel safe for ya? Did it?

Daymn Dave. So pathetic. I posted on this thread a couple years ago, and again, currently. Don't pretend that he gave an answer that was simply not technically satisfying - he completely skirted the Q and went on to personal attack mode. Much like you just did.

Geeze man, it's not like anyone was asking for his, or your, daughters phone number. Just a simple technical question, on this technical discussion board. -- or, as you like to see it, Dave's personal clique approval perch. You have an app for that, doncha?

PS, I'm leaning toward getting an iPhone 6 when out --I like that big sapphire screen.
I know, crazy, huh, a hardware maker which touts its construction details, rather than hide and get PISSY.

[BUYERRYAN]

I am looking for a set of 17" for my project 79' sc. Please reply to me with pricing, and availability for Southern California. Not trying to get caught up in all the other stuff. Thanks, Ryan

[BRAIDusa]

Sorry I've been away from this post for a while. Been busy with other projects, family stuff and fixing race cars. Oh, and selling wheels.

These 17" wheels are now in production thanks to the support and interest shown by the community. We still have a few sets left at the $3019 price, unless some deposits show up in today's post. Once these are gone the next ten sets will be sold at the still discounted price of $3930 till all the first run are gone. These will also be available through Pelican and our other dealers.

I'm working with the factory on releasing some technical details of these and the current range of 15" and 16" replicas that we are both comfortable with.

Great to see the support of our previous and new customer. Thanks so much.