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BRAIDusa 02-26-2015 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floridabmx (Post 8505421)
$4000 for semi forged reps? Id rather buy some genuine fuchs get them machined and buy all new bbs motorsport 17" halves personally.

Would these be original centers? Thirty year old centers? Metal fatigued centers?

Many of our customers say they prefer to trust new construction over excellent but old construction.

wayner 02-26-2015 04:55 AM

Classy response, I like it.

To be clear, these wheels are tested to German TUV standards, not some cheap uncertified Chinese knockoffs, am I right?

BRAIDusa 02-26-2015 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa (Post 8505554)
Would these be original centers? Thirty year old centers? Metal fatigued centers?

Many of our customers say they prefer to trust new construction over excellent but old construction.

Sorry for my pre-coffee remarks above; they seem a little harsh in the caffeinated light I am now bathed in.

BRAIDusa 02-26-2015 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner (Post 8505644)
Classy response, I like it.

To be clear, these wheels are tested to German TUV standards, not some cheap uncertified Chinese knockoffs, am I right?

Classy? perhaps a little brusque? Anyway, yes, they are tested to TUV standards.

BRAIDusa 03-08-2015 02:18 PM

Here's a quick picture I snapped today of the ET0 17x11 on the back of a 930.

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...6%3C3336nu0mrj

BRAIDusa 03-08-2015 02:25 PM

and a picture of the backside for Kaefer


http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...29859336nu0mrj

Shaun @ Tru6 03-08-2015 02:41 PM

Lighting adjusted

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1425854470.jpg

BRAIDusa 03-08-2015 02:43 PM

[QUOTE=Shaun 84 Targa;8521202]Lighting adjusted

Thanks you Shaun.

BRAIDusa 03-09-2015 07:36 AM

Here are a few more:

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...3A%3C245ot1lsi

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...C%3B4245ot1lsi

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...6%3C4336nu0mrj

BRAIDusa 03-11-2015 05:25 PM

I got a tire mounted on the 11x17 today. A worn out 315/35-17 Nitto.

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...9%3C8336nu0mrj


Then test fitted it on a 2002 996 Carrera 2.

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...3A524245ot1lsi

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...3B%3C245ot1lsi

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...3B%3A245ot1lsi


I wasn't concerned about tire clearance or anything. This is a ET0 offset 930 wheel after all. No, I wanted to check that the inner profile would clear big brakes. I needn't have been concerned. Looks like we nailed it.

In the rear the caliper as almost flush with the mounting face, just like a 930 so there's loads of room:

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...3A526245ot1lsi

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...3A528245ot1lsi


But in the front it sits proud of the wheel mounting face, by quite a lot. Fortunately this is what we were trying to accommodate with the design so it fit perfectly :)

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...67324245ot1lsi

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...A3%3A336nu0mrj



Big thanks to Auto Europe in Birmingham for the loan of the 996 and for mounting the tire. (I think they want a set or two to be honest). The car is for sale by the way.

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...3C%3A336nu0mrj



I'm not sure what brakes are on a 02 Carrera 2 but I think thsy might be the same as the 993 Turbo: the Big reds! If that's the case then we are could to go on any 964, 993 and at least a 996 Carrera 2.

Later this week I'll put it on the 930 again and, if I can find any, a 964 and 993.

We also now have pricing and offset ranges for each width so I will be publishing those later this week. Wheels are now in production so we should be able to start shipping very soon!

Very exciting.

KTL 03-12-2015 06:55 AM

996 Carrera 2 has moderately sized brakes. They're a bit larger in front than 993 in rotor diameter but the caliper itself is smaller. Rears are generally the same size but 993 has a much deeper rotor offset.

996 vs 993

Front 318x28 vs. 304x32
Rear 299x24 vs. 299x24

Big Red (turbo) 996 vs 993

Front 330x34 vs 322x32
Rear 330x28 vs 322x28

The 996 style calipers are rather bulky and can present clearance problems. 996tt Brakes for 911 993 style calipers are a bit sleeker and offer a little better clearance Big Red complete upgrade for 911 914 930

930 clearance should be a non-issue. 930 brakes can fit under 15 in. Fuchs

BRAIDusa 03-12-2015 07:19 AM

Thanks Kevin. That's very useful. I'm really good up to 1989 then I get a bit vague.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTL (Post 8527055)
996 Carrera 2 has moderately sized brakes. They're a bit larger in front than 993 in rotor diameter but the caliper itself is smaller. Rears are generally the same size but 993 has a much deeper rotor offset.

996 vs 993

Front 318x28 vs. 304x32
Rear 299x24 vs. 299x24

Big Red (turbo) 996 vs 993

Front 330x34 vs 322x32
Rear 330x28 vs 322x28

The 996 style calipers are rather bulky and can present clearance problems. 996tt Brakes for 911 993 style calipers are a bit sleeker and offer a little better clearance Big Red complete upgrade for 911 914 930

930 clearance should be a non-issue. 930 brakes can fit under 15 in. Fuchs


BRAIDusa 03-13-2015 03:46 PM

Here are a few pics from this evening's 930 test fit, with tire!

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...%3B55336nu0mrj

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...%3B52336nu0mrj

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...%3B57336nu0mrj

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...%3B59336nu0mrj

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...26289336nu0mrj

jhelgesen 03-13-2015 04:06 PM

Thats hawt

OldSpool87 03-13-2015 04:12 PM

Paul,

Could you take a few of the front wheels maybe at half lock?

Thanks!

930 ZZZ 03-13-2015 05:03 PM

Paul,

What size of tires are you running?

Thanks

BRAIDusa 03-14-2015 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 930 ZZZ (Post 8529385)
Paul,

What size of tires are you running?

Thanks


This one is 11" width at ET0 with a 315/35 tire. Available from 7" to 12" wide in 1/2" increments from ET-50 to ET70 for 911, 964, 993, 996, 924, 944, Boxster and probably a few others.

BRAIDusa 03-14-2015 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSpool87 (Post 8529332)
Paul,

Could you take a few of the front wheels maybe at half lock?

Thanks!

Well, yes and no. The front is a CCW. We only have the one rear wheel stateside right now as it's a prototype.

BRAIDusa 03-20-2015 06:09 AM

We did it!
 
So I think it is fair to say today is the BIG day. With today's introduction of the new, full range of BRAID 17" Porsche Classic wheels I think we can say this project has concluded!

Thank you so much to everyone who either had technical input, encouraging words or trusted us enough to put down actual money to make these wheels become a reality. The Pelican community truly is special. With that said here is the range of widths, offsets, weights and prices that should soon be available from our hosts:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/1...e5666008_b.jpg
For RSR finish please add $100 per wheel. Custom finishes are also possible. Weights are approximate and depend on final specification.


Those of you who know about these things may already have realized that the exstensive offset range coupled with the built in brake clearance people requested means that these wheels can be ordered to fit way more than pre 1990 911s. We can now offer authentic looking, high quality classic wheels for 964, 993, 996 and maybe even beyond. 924, 944, 928 and 968 should be possible too as well as Boxster and perhaps Cayman. Spread the word. classic wheels for everyone!.

Although these wheels are ready to order now and are actually in production it should be noted that they won't be ready to ship to sometime in June.

Any questions let me know and thank you all once more.

PcarPhil 03-20-2015 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa (Post 8529285)

How much negative camber is dialed into that rear suspension?

LUFTKUL 03-20-2015 07:13 AM

Is that a "BRAID" watermark at the lip of the wheel on your picture or are you stamping the wheel with a blue BRAID on them?

BRAIDusa 03-20-2015 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaefer (Post 8538940)
How much negative camber is dialed into that rear suspension?

I think he's at about two.

BRAIDusa 03-24-2015 11:46 AM

The legend is growing

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...3B358336nu0mrj

to 17 inches.

BRAIDusa 03-25-2015 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUFTKUL (Post 8539010)
Is that a "BRAID" watermark at the lip of the wheel on your picture or are you stamping the wheel with a blue BRAID on them?

Missed this sorry. It's a small vinyl sticker we applied. We wanted it for the pictures and display otherwise there's nothing on the wheel to say who made it and they look so good we didn't want people to think it was a real one. It will peel right off.

BRAIDusa 03-25-2015 04:00 AM

I haven't been very "BZ" test fitting this prototype on various vehicles lately due to recent hip surgery but here's a higher res shot of the 930 test fit we did. Enjoy.

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...%3B88336nu0mrj

Robbbyg 03-25-2015 08:50 AM

17 incĥes not braid or fuschs but proven,

40000 kays and three trips across Australia proven to me they can be trusted
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1427301831.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1427302061.jpg

Robbbyg 03-25-2015 08:58 AM

pretty to rim car mess just welded roof on, 17 braid or 17 similar with spacers r beez knees
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1427302496.jpg

BRAIDusa 03-25-2015 03:38 PM

Perhaps you should start your own thread about these Robby. After getting the forum's permission of course.

Or perhaps the "for sale" section?

LJ851 03-25-2015 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbbyg (Post 8546912)
...i can tell you they are LIGHT each wheel under ten pounds...
they are 17x9 and 17x8
•100% Low Pressure Casting



So a 17 inch CAST aluminum wheel that weighs almost HALF of what a forged real Fuch in 16 inch weighs? I don't believe it and certainly have no idea what it is doing here in Braids thread.



Paul, you are much more polite than i. The new wheels look great, can't wait to see more pics.

BRAIDusa 03-26-2015 03:32 AM

Another high resolution picture for you:

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...%3B89336nu0mrj

OldSpool87 03-26-2015 08:27 AM

They look really good! Can you tell me how the RSR finish is achieved? Is it a coating like paint or is the substrate blasted or otherwise mechanically altered to create the look.

Thanks and nice work!

TheSt|G 03-26-2015 08:49 AM

Are your wheels forged like the originals? Or some type casting?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa (Post 8547283)
Perhaps you should start your own thread about these Robby. After getting the forum's permission of course.

Or perhaps the "for sale" section?

Much nicer than I would about that.

My vote is that we all just report the spammer.

BRAIDusa 03-26-2015 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSpool87 (Post 8548182)
They look really good! Can you tell me how the RSR finish is achieved? Is it a coating like paint or is the substrate blasted or otherwise mechanically altered to create the look.

Thanks and nice work!

All the silver accents on our BZ range, outer rim and/or petals is anodized. This is not just the regular anodizing but the "soft" style of anodizing used on the original wheels. It is not easy to achieve but ours is very "original looking". I don't have a 17 RSR pics yet but here's some 15" and 16" for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.braid.es/wheels/products/...444/BZ_RSR.jpg http://www.braidusa.com/Wheels/Comp/BZ/RSRBIG.JPG

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ps3a05af4a.jpg

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...67785443_o.jpg

BRAIDusa 03-27-2015 11:47 AM

Coming to a Porsche publication near you soon.

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...3C%3B336nu0mrj

TheSt|G 03-27-2015 12:22 PM

So no answer on the forged or cast question?

FrenchToast 03-27-2015 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa (Post 8546145)
I haven't been very "BZ" test fitting this prototype on various vehicles lately due to recent hip surgery

Wishing you a full and quick recovery!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa (Post 8546145)

Look great! (As I've said before).

They look quite close to the fender lip though - any rubbing?

BRAIDusa 03-27-2015 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSt|G (Post 8550230)
So no answer on the forged or cast question?

Sorry, I've asked the factory for the official word on this.

BRAIDusa 03-27-2015 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrenchToast (Post 8550232)
Wishing you a full and quick recovery!


Look great! (As I've said before).

They look quite close to the fender lip though - any rubbing?

Thanks FT. I agree, they do look close in the photos but in reality they did not look as if they would rub.

BRAIDusa 04-16-2015 07:31 AM

I was released by my Physical Therapist for "Light lifting" yesterday which to me meant "Test Fit". I went straight round to my friend's with the 930 and snagged our 17" BZ prototype back and slapped in on a 89 944 Turbo S that was in the shop. As with all of these test fits we are just verifying brake caliper clearance. The prototype is an 17x11, ET0 meant for a 930 or M491 so tire clearance etc. is not valid for most vehicles we intend testing it on. Anyway. It fit easily with about 12mm of caliper clearance as you can see.

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...8%3C2336nu0mrj

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...8%3C5336nu0mrj

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...8%3C4336nu0mrj

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323...8%3C3336nu0mrj


Saturday I should have access to a 964 and possibly a 993. "Wheel" see.

OldSpool87 04-16-2015 08:36 AM

How are lead times looking these days assuming an off the shelf order?

Thanks!


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