BRAID 17" Fuchs Replica Wheels. Input Requested.

[PcarPhil]

Originally Posted by not_hans_stuck

I said it before and i'll say it again. Include an inch of brake clearance at the hub!

Originally Posted by Plavan

I need a 10" and 9" in negative offsets, so I'm probably out. I can't fathom spending all that money on wheels that might not fit.

I was thinking about these wheels for awhile yesterday, and also had a lengthy discussion with Paul about them. Now I'm thinking to really pull this off as best as possible these wheels should be available with the offsets listed below. I'm also thinking ~10mm of material should be added to the backs of the mounting surfaces (along with deeper lug holes like the 951 Fuchs) to allow more room for large brake calipers.

7" +49
7" +30 (a bit more offset vs. stock to make fitment up front a little easier)
8" +30
8" +10
9" +15
9.5" +19
10" 0
11" 0

Plavan - why the need for negative offset wheels?

BTW I have no affiliation with Braid or any other wheel manufacturer. I'm just a Porsche guy who happens to also be a wheel guy. I'd like to see a few more choices available for Fuchs style wheels.

Based on the offset list above I'd be a buyer for a set of 9" +15 and 10" 0. My second choice would be the 9.5" +19 and 11" 0.

I'm also thinking that the people who are serious about wanting to buy nice, durable, and somewhat affordable 17" Fuchs style wheels should post which sizes and offsets they are ready to buy.

[KTL]

Originally Posted by Kaefer

I'm also thinking ~5mm of material should be added to the backs of the mounting surfaces (along with deeper lug holes like the 951 Fuchs) to allow more room for large brake calipers.

Note that the 951 Fuchs are not the only wheels that have the countersunk lug holes. The 930 16x9 has countersunk lug holes too.

I think to simplify the manufacturing, the 17x7 should be a 30mm offset like the 17x8 front wheel. Making a 27 in lieu of a 30 is really not worthwhile IMO when the clearance is not extremely critical with the 7 in. wheel? Just a thought. I agree that adding more positive offset to the 7 in. wheel is good because the typical +23.3mm Fuchs wheel is not a great fitment, especially with a tire that is 225 section width.

[BRAIDusa]

Oh my, this is gettiing confusing again. So many requirements to fill that I'm back on my three-piece fetish again.

Do bear in mind that whatever offsets we settle on they will likely be available with custom variations just like the current 15" and 16". We just need to find the sweet spot with as few widths as possible.

It looks like the Euromeisters are offered in

7x17 +23
8x17 +10
9x17 +15

Do they make anything wider?

Zuffenhaus are a little less than forthcoming with their specs, just list by application. Are these three-piece?

[PcarPhil]

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

It looks like the Euromeisters are offered in

7x17 +23
8x17 +10
9x17 +15

Do they make anything wider?

No, nothing wider.

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

Zuffenhaus are a little less than forthcoming with their specs, just list by application. Are these three-piece?

Yes, 3-piece.

[PcarPhil]

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

Oh my, this is gettiing confusing again. So many requirements to fill that I'm back on my three-piece fetish again.

Or just have Braid manufacture the centers only, drilled with 20 holes compatible with BBS Motorsport rim halves, with 10mm additional material added to the back mounting surface of the wheel center. Let the buyers (or BraidUSA) finish the wheels themselves with whatever rim shell specs they want to use!

[Lukesportsman]

Kaefer, like your idea for flexibility and strength/quality. BUT wouldn't that escalate the price?

[PcarPhil]

Originally Posted by Lukesportsman

Kaefer, like your idea for flexibility and strength/quality. BUT wouldn't that escalate the price?

I dunno. Paul needs to answer that one. My guess is maybe a little bit but since 20 bolt rim halves are plentiful from a few suppliers (new and used) I don't think cost would escalate too much.

Then again... I could be wrong!

[Plavan]

Originally Posted by Kaefer

I was thinking about these wheels for awhile yesterday, and also had a lengthy discussion with Paul about them. Now I'm thinking to really pull this off as best as possible these wheels should be available with the offsets listed below. I'm also thinking ~10mm of material should be added to the backs of the mounting surfaces (along with deeper lug holes like the 951 Fuchs) to allow more room for large brake calipers.

7" +49
7" +30 (a bit more offset vs. stock to make fitment up front a little easier)
8" +30
8" +10
9" +15
9.5" +19
10" 0
11" 0

Plavan - why the need for negative offset wheels?

BTW I have no affiliation with Braid or any other wheel manufacturer. I'm just a Porsche guy who happens to also be a wheel guy. I'd like to see a few more choices available for Fuchs style wheels.

Based on the offset list above I'd be a buyer for a set of 9" +15 and 10" 0. My second choice would be the 9.5" +19 and 11" 0.

I'm also thinking that the people who are serious about wanting to buy nice, durable, and somewhat affordable 17" Fuchs style wheels should post which sizes and offsets they are ready to buy.

I just meant negative offset, not positive for the REAR- I have -12 offset on my rear 15x10 right now. They fit. 0 might work for 17" wheels, but with 15" wheels/tires, there is not alot of room on the inside (Springplate adjustment screws, oil lines etc).

However, tire sidewall flex will not be a drastic with 17's as with 275/50 15" tires. So 0 offset looks like it would possibly work.

The fronts im pretty open with. I know 17x9 (+15) should fit, not sure about 17x 9.5 (+19) what do you think? I have RSR/ST flares up front.

[nvnovrts]

Originally Posted by jp911

standard 911 (sc/carrera body) offsets in 7.5" and 8.5" in black would be great.

+1

[BRAIDusa]

Sorry for lettting this thread go a bit quiet for a while. I was waiting for the factory to get back to me with prices etc and them blew my engine in our race car so a bit of scrambling ensued.

So the 17" BZ wheels are going to follow the same semi-forged manufacturing process as the current 15" and 16" range and prices are as follows.

17 x 7 $790
17 x 8 $842
17 x 9.5 $902
17 x 11 $989

The only details I haven't nailed down yet is what offsets to offer and when they will be available. Stay tuned.

[BRAIDusa]

Originally Posted by BRAIDusa

Sorry for lettting this thread go a bit quiet for a while. I was waiting for the factory to get back to me with prices etc and them blew my engine in our race car so a bit of scrambling ensued.

So the 17" BZ wheels are going to follow the same semi-forged manufacturing process as the current 15" and 16" range and prices are as follows.

17 x 7 $790
17 x 8 $842
17 x 9.5 $902
17 x 11 $989

The only details I haven't nailed down yet is what offsets to offer and when they will be available. Stay tuned.

I should mention, these are full retail pricing. I have in mind to offer a discounted price for the first batch of orders but I will have to talk with Pelican about the details of that of course.

[puffinator]

Here is a picture of a Braid 16x10 in RSR finish. I ordered from Paul and received in 3 weeks. great service.

[Lukesportsman]

Bump

[retro356]

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[Plavan]

Originally Posted by retro356

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Ticking timebombs....... No thanks.

Uses Old Fuch centers.....

Fuchs are old, and getting older. Prone to cracking like on my OEM 15x8 Fuch. I'll stick with new wheels.

[PcarPhil]

Hey guys,

I've been crunching more wheel specs for a couple buddies putting together widebody cars. Here's today's numbers:

Size and offset

8x17 +30
9x17 +15
9.5x17 +19
10x17 -15
11x17 0

Ideally additional mounting depth for big brakes (similar to the 951 and 9" 930 wheels, but deeper) would be designed in. Maybe 12mm of additional depth.

So... is anyone here interested in wheels with the above specs? It will probably take a first run of ~40 or so wheels for Braid to commit to making them.

Please keep in mind I have no affiliation with any wheel manufacturers. I'm just trying to help.

[Plavan]

Will the 9x17's +15 fit on the front of my racecar (RSR front fenders/ "S" calipers)? I pretty sure the rear 10x17 -15 will on the rear.

[KTL]

For reference on my 930-flared SC racecar I have 17x10 wheels with an effective offset of (minus) -22mm. They are a true 10 in. wheel (11 in. wide edge-edge) with a +6mm offset. I run 28mm 930 spacers behind them which makes them effectively -22mm offset.

Incidentally I stacked some spacers for grins and with a 28mm + 21mm, I still clear the rear flares wearing a 275/40 tire.

I can't provide much insight on front wheel fitment because my car has lengthened A-arms, which throws off the offset calculation for a typical widebody-converted car.

[PcarPhil]

Originally Posted by Plavan

Will the 9x17's +15 fit on the front of my racecar (RSR front fenders/ "S" calipers)? I pretty sure the rear 10x17 -15 will on the rear.

Yes. Your car has the same front fenders as mine. 9x17 +15 is an easy fit. What tire size are you thinking about up front?

Try on a 930 9x16 +15 Fuchs if you want a general idea of fit!

[PcarPhil]

Originally Posted by KTL

Incidentally I stacked some spacers for grins and with a 28mm + 21mm, I still clear the rear flares wearing a 275/40 tire.

Kevin,

Do you happen to have a pic of this? This is basically 10x17 -43 (!!!) ET with 275/40/17 tire. This setup puts the outer wheel lip 3mm past the original 11x15 -27 ET RSR setup.

Also how much negative camber were you running with this test fitment?

Thanks for the info,