Why are German doods buying up our aircooled 911s?

[cantdrv55]

Seems to be happenning a lot lately. I thought Germany has more stringent environmental rules that the US. Don't they have to worry about emissions? Does anyone know how much 78-89 911s would cost there?

[911 tweaks]

2 things come to mind...
1. a lot of the cars in europe have rust issues as like many other places around the world
2. more important is the US$ vs. Euro...a smart buy to buy US products now if you live outside of the US so I am told...

[KNS]

Germany came out of their recession last year, cars aren't selling (very fast) here. Hate to see them go overseas.

[juicersr]

Think about it. You know all those big fat redneck guys you see on 'Barrett Jackson TV (aka Speed Channel)' with lots of $$ who are now buying all those obese muscle cars of their high school wet dreams for absurb prices?

Well, there are a lot of guys in Germany who were probably denied their dream 911 long ago, who now have the means and the Euros to get them. That, plus the fact that the US was the main market for so long. We take for granted the amazing variety of 911s of every year that are available here in great condition (as well as 'hot rodded turbos) that are in short supply there. Hell, i just picked up a pristine '86 Carrera that would probably command twice over what i paid in Germany.

Case in point, this highly modded 930 Dude was recently sold to a German for 20K Euro, which used to be $20k US not to long ago. That was a steal, as this car could not be had, or even built over there for anywhere NEAR that price. I'm sure that for a lot of middle age German guys, the 934 was the equivalent of the Mustang GT350 or SS396, except of course that it could actually be taken into a curve more than 60 mph without crashing.

[80-911SC]

Echo of the above ......

Our economy basicly sucks ........
their Euro is high ....
they can and the people here selling are letting them buy

HINT: start asking for more money , you'll help yourself at sale time and raise the
worth of the rest of our cars at the same time

[Jtilden]

Originally Posted by juicersr

Think about it. You know all those big fat redneck guys you see on 'Barrett Jackson TV (aka Speed Channel)' with lots of $$ who are now buying all those obese muscle cars of their high school wet dreams for absurb prices?

Well, there are a lot of guys in Germany who were probably denied their dream 911 long ago, who now have the means and the Euros to get them. That, plus the fact that the US was the main market for so long. We take for granted the amazing variety of 911s of every year that are available here in great condition (as well as 'hot rodded turbos) that are in short supply there. Hell, i just picked up a pristine '86 Carrera that would probably command twice over what i paid in Germany.

Case in point, this highly modded 930 Dude was recently sold to a German for 20K Euro, which used to be $20k US not to long ago. That was a steal, as this car could not be had, or even built over there for anywhere NEAR that price. I'm sure that for a lot of middle age German guys, the 934 was the equivalent of the Mustang GT350 or SS396, except of course that it could actually be taken into a curve more than 60 mph without crashing.

I will have to agree with this statement...I was stationed in Germany from 96-99 and do not recall seeing half as many older 911s as as I did older BMW models...I drove a 1980 320 the entire time I was there...I looked for a 911 to call my own but I could not find one...there were a few 928s in the area but no 911s

[SCWDP911]

so how are they finding them all - craigslist, ebay?

[kidrock]

****ATTENTION, ALL GERMAN PELICANS****

who wants to buy an (almost) pristine 1988 Cabriolet???

[jimbauman]

When you look at the total early 911 production numbers, they are LOW (especially when compared to 3.2 Carreras). And considering that most of those were sold in the US market, that didn't leave a whole lot left in Europe. And for all the reasons stated above, they are now finding their way home...

JB

[sc_rufctr]

It's all about supply and demand...

If you know the right people shipping a car over the "pond" is easy and not too expensive.
Doesn't help us Aussies... Everything Porsche down here is "loads of money"...

I like the idea that "some" of these cars are returning to Germany.

The more of them that are there the better the odds of Porsche continuing to make spares for the earlier cars.
The Germans don't mind winging if they feel they need to. ;-)

But seriously... Why not? The cars left in the US become more valuable as a result.

[tazzieman]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

It's all about supply and demand...

Doesn't help us Aussies... Everything Porsche down here is "loads of money"...

Just ordered the tensioner kit and idler supports ~ 50% cheaper from USA than from Oz. Propping up the US economy , I dunno...

[Dirk Diggler]

Originally Posted by cantdrv55

Seems to be happenning a lot lately. I thought Germany has more stringent environmental rules that the US. Don't they have to worry about emissions? Does anyone know how much 78-89 911s would cost there?

Being german and living in Germany I'll try to answer that question. The california emissions where always the most stringent emission laws in the world. Therefore buying a car in California always meets the german requriements.

Usually not all germans buy their cars in the US, because of
# less horsepower
# lack of maintaince
# supenision differences

some, including myself, because of
# less rust
# not doing 120+MPH everytime
# being often a 2nd or 3rd car

The exchange rate these days is not too bad, and after the folks from britan bought alot of cars while their exchange rate was excellent, nowdays it's the eurozone gifted with good exchange rate.

mainly Dealer asking prices could be found here: mobile.de
now that everyone is so excited, especialy the SC's and G's usually got more horesepower in Europe at that time. it'll really comes down to the individual car documtentation etc.

Import to germany is
1500$ - 2000$ shipping incl. insurance
10 % of buying price
+ 19% of buying and shipping price
which makes an import same amount of you guys asking in $
+ legalise a car 1500$
Which I usualy deduct from the price I pay in the US...

where do we find the cars:
craigslist
autotrader
local dealers
neighbourhoods
pomonaswapmeet
here
ebay


The smart german nowdays buys as well in Great Britan, the cars the folks imported 5 years ago, no taxes, no custom and as well a good price.

If someone is interessted in selling her/his car in Germany let me know, glad if I can help out.


Dirk
1971 914 sold
1978 911 sold
1990 911 Targa - on the atlantic right now

[CT944]

I just sold a 1991 cab to a guy in Germany...good thing is he was willing to pay the asking price with no haggling.

[THECARREAPER]

1985 Targa 58,000 miles

one of mine is for sale here. i live next to a large port (Savannah Georgia) so shipping to Germany should not be hard.

interesting thread.

[bavaria911]

The German Porsche parts buyer is also buying the MFI and Weber parts from USA -- real cheap here.

[RnB]

Hi from Germany,

there are for sure interesting exchange rates, that make us look for a 911 in the USA. But the cars are not silly cheap for us. To have an unmodified car here, ready to go and street legal: Replace the $ with the € sign next to the paid price in the US.

Because of our laws there is less interest in cars modified with US-parts. Wheels, mufflers, suspension, wings... Nearly everthing causes a conflict with our laws and provisions. Besides originality is regarded very high.

The worries of the German buyers:
The quality of repairs after an accident causes to distrust. Especially the paint jobs often do not meet the demands here.

My own experience: I have a 911 Carrera 3.2 here sold to me from the first and only previous owner. And it came from CA. Great car. He took meticulously care for it. But it was a challenge to find my car. I think there are a lot of 911 on Your roads that have not been maintained the way German Porsche-Fans would expect. The American Porsche Scene does not offer a wide choice of a here expected "middle-class" of maintained average cars. Short: A lot of cars, that need a lot of work. On the other hand: There are also incredible great cars in an unbelievable condition. But there might be not so much inbetween.

And the owners of the great cars do have an idea of the value.

The bad: These days a lot of the poor cars are finding their way back to Germany. German dealers have their man finding cheap cars in the USA for a quick and dirty sale here.

[86 911 Targa]

Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

Being german and living in Germany I'll try to answer that question. The california emissions where always the most stringent emission laws in the world. Therefore buying a car in California always meets the german requriements.

Usually not all germans buy their cars in the US, because of
# less horsepower
# lack of maintaince
# supenision differences

some, including myself, because of
# less rust
# not doing 120+MPH everytime
# being often a 2nd or 3rd car

The exchange rate these days is not too bad, and after the folks from britan bought alot of cars while their exchange rate was excellent, nowdays it's the eurozone gifted with good exchange rate.

mainly Dealer asking prices could be found here: mobile.de
now that everyone is so excited, especialy the SC's and G's usually got more horesepower in Europe at that time. it'll really comes down to the individual car documtentation etc.

Import to germany is
1500$ - 2000$ shipping incl. insurance
10 % of buying price
+ 19% of buying and shipping price
which makes an import same amount of you guys asking in $
+ legalise a car 1500$
Which I usualy deduct from the price I pay in the US...

where do we find the cars:
craigslist
autotrader
local dealers
neighbourhoods
pomonaswapmeet
here
ebay


The smart german nowdays buys as well in Great Britan, the cars the folks imported 5 years ago, no taxes, no custom and as well a good price.

If someone is interessted in selling her/his car in Germany let me know, glad if I can help out.


Dirk
1971 914 sold
1978 911 sold
1990 911 Targa - on the atlantic right now

Well Dirk, this one is not going anywhere, at any price...................

Prost.

[Dirk Diggler]

Well Dirk, this one is not going anywhere, at any price...................

Prost.

Love your guards red Targa, but we are the Germans. Resistance is futile.

Dirk
1971 914 sold
1978 911 sold
1990 911 Targa - on the atlantic right now

[boxster03]

The dollar has strengthen considerably in the last month. I would not sell a car overseas for US dollars. If you were going to sell the car for $25k price it at 25,000 euro if you are dealing with an overseas buyer. they have a choice to buy rusted euro and uk junk or buy a nice dry car - they still win..

[stv951]

Hello 911 co enthusiasts

I am a Porsche specialist from Greece, and as I am reading this I thought I would express my idea on this subject

As everywhere there are good cars and there are bad cars.
We in Greece have lovely weather and no salt on our streets, but excessive sunshine hurts seats dashboards and colour.
On the other hand our silly taxation system prevented people from spending a fortune on buying a 911.
Nowdays, we can import a 30+ y.o. car as a classic without paying any tax apart from 10 import and 19% VAT.
I am therefore interested and have alread bought some cars from the east coast.
We are now looking for a pre 1973 rustfree car as well as a nice SC
Anyone selling please feel free to pm !!!