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scottb 04-19-2013 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclovin (Post 7395812)
all that cutting, etc. On the header, hmm. I think a lot aren't going to have the stomach for that.

+1

sobamaflyer 04-19-2013 11:06 AM

You would prefer this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1366398315.jpg

I doubt it (and I didn't have a huge problem with this solution)

McLovin 04-19-2013 11:12 AM

No, I wouldn't prefer that. Nor would I prefer Bungie cords!

But, to me personally, they are all the same: They are all equally a "no go" for me.

I'd prefer this!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1124758483.jpg

With that setup, I'd buy the top for sure.

fintstone 04-19-2013 12:07 PM

10.5 lbs! Excellent. Since it is a "topless car" and only comes out on nice days for many...and most folks already have a top of some sort...crazy prices will only sell a few. If the price is right...you should sell a lot of tops.

snbush67 04-19-2013 03:13 PM

At 10.5 lbs, that leaves room for structural improvements if needed. A test drive will reveal any effects or buffeting from wind turbulence etc.

I am interested in reports at 50 MPH, 75MPH and up to 100 if you can swing it.

Some things that should be considered by people making comments about pricing is comparisons to other tops and options.

This top is designed well with minimal parts so there should be a low failure rate and a slow wear out rate, this top uses modern materials and manufacturing methods.

I would expect quality to be expensive, you get what you pay for.

porschenut 04-21-2013 10:38 AM

So how did Hershey go? Got pics? Full report, please!

Any projection on when production of the finished product will begin?

nineball 04-21-2013 01:16 PM

hershey went very well. getting there was not quite so great - we planned to leave at 10am and by the time we had the top finished, adjusted and mounted it was 4:30pm. arrived at the hotel around 11:30pm, ordered a pizza and crashed. got up awfully early saturday, had breakfast and headed over to the meet. we met quite a few pelicans and tons of great people. had lots of good feedback on the top and the covers, took a few orders and even had someone from a magazine snapping pics like it was a one day only showing. we will see if we make it in :)

our 12 hours of r&d paid off and we have a few tweaks here and there to do but overall it was a huge success. due to the 30 year old seals on my car the wind noise was about the same as my folding top, which was in pretty good shape a few weeks ago before we tore it open for more r&d. i picked up a new front seal from dan and i have a good used rear seal that i will be installing soon (left my folding top with him to be rebuilt as well). on the drive we had absolutely no buffeting or movement, the top was rock steady in speeds approaching triple digits and while we only had a light rain for about 30 mins had no water. after todd tweaks it some more and my seals are in i'll report back with an update.

pricing has been set at $2599 for a complete carbon fiber top. you can find them here:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/745761-carbon-fiber-targa-hardtops.html#post7399218

jcc911 04-21-2013 02:40 PM

And fiberglass?

nineball 04-21-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcc911 (Post 7399331)
And fiberglass?


after hershey all i had on my mind was the cf version :) fiberglass will be $2199. it will be finished in a sandable gelcoat that can be surfaced and painted.

Joeaksa 04-21-2013 05:20 PM

Great feedback.

I have the same issue with my factory top and have not found the time to change out the front seal, so just put some clear sealing tape between the windshield frame and hard-top and it works fine until I find the time for the seals!

NoYouRelax 04-21-2013 07:14 PM

Nineball, Todd, It was nice meeting you yesterday and chatting about the top. The product looked awesome.....nice work.

Bill

timmy2 04-21-2013 10:54 PM

Very nice.
If I didn't have a factory one I'd be getting in line for one.

FYI my '78 had the cut outs for the escutheons, so who knows when they changed...

I would be interested in a set of latches some time in case mine break. I've been watching this thread and haven't seen a pic of them yet.

Paco Anton 04-22-2013 04:41 AM

Can this be shipped internationally? Or is the risk of having it damaged too high?

Also for the non-initiated. What is the difference between Carbon Fiber and Fiberglass versions?

Thanks!!!

lpsalsaman 04-22-2013 04:43 AM

Wow the top looks awesome and the finish underside looks just perfect! Too bad I couldn't be there this weekend to meet you guys and see the product in person. However great job to both of you!

toddc 04-22-2013 06:20 AM

Paco,

we've shipped out carbon roof's internationally from airport to air port without damage, I'm sure we can package this appropriately as well.

There are a couple of differences between fiberglass and carbon.

The carbon tops are lighter by a few pounds and they have a very distinct look.

The fiberglass tops are functionally the same however they require paint.

snbush67 04-22-2013 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toddc (Post 7400249)
The fiberglass tops are functionally the same however they require paint.

Can you do a raw amber fiberglass top to match the color typically used on engine shrouds?

toddc 04-22-2013 02:08 PM

Quote:

<div class="pre-quote">Quote de <strong>toddc</strong></div><div class="post-quote"><div style="font-style:italic">The fiberglass tops are functionally the same however they require paint.</div></div>Can you do a raw amber fiberglass top to match the color typically used on engine shrouds?
Yes, just need a sample for color match

jplucas 04-24-2013 02:35 PM

I got a chance to look to talk with Todd and check out the top in person at Hershey. Needless to say I was impressed and is definitely something I would consider if I had a targa.

I even mentioned it the story I did as one of the event highlights for me.
Pictures and Recap of the Hershey Porsche Swap Meet | @FlatSixes - the blog about Porsche

Keep up the good work guys. You are a good example of what makes the Porsche community so great!

rokemester 04-24-2013 06:28 PM

Great job! I couldn't make the show this year. Really enjoyed your guided tour. The top really looks AWESOME. Unfortunately a couple of head studs hit the shop floor during a valve adjustment so me and my car won't be seeing each other for a while and my wallet is going to be at least a couple grand lighter.

FLYONWALL9 06-08-2013 07:19 PM

I recon someone had to take the ball and run with it. Glad I teed it up for
ya NINEBALL. Hope your able to make it last.

Best of luck,
Scott


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