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Almost a year since I last updated the thread.
(insert suitable 'time flies' analogy)

Thankfully the build has progressed, albeit not as much as I would like.

Will attempt to fill in the blanks.

Part of the stash we found was a rather sorry LHD 70 Targa.
We decided to donate it's remaining organs to the resto of my mate's 0001 66 S Proto and my humble lawn ornament.

Floor pan (nice saving once stripped of the b@$%^%d underseal)

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Traded the tired 2.7 (Kjet) that was in the car for 2 gearboxes: a 4 speed and a 5 speed 901.

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Engine looks tired cosmetically but complete. It turns and the MFI pump seems to be okay. Will only really know when we get it onto a jig and try and run it. 2.2E with all standard internals (as far as I know). Plan is to run it as is, hopefully won't have to open it up to get it going. May add an alu clutch plate / flywheel for a bit more zing, but otherwise standard spec would should give 155-odd horsepower.

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MFI pump is correct for a 2.2E and seems to be unmolested.

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Visited a local specialist to do some parts swapping.
The mechanical mind behind the Dutchman Cars, Tim Abbot.

This is the Dutchman Racer in build.
Great colour.

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After 9 months at the Panelbeaters (the most useless bunch of idiots in the World) I got my SC back. The wife is not impressed about the fact that her garage is filled with 2 porkers.

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Lovely rough, clean metal for the epoxy primer to bond to.....and lots of nasty repairs

Door lock post to sill:
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Bottom of the door hinge post:
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Inside the sill cavity. Inner sills look pretty solid but they'll come out when I'm in there.

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Below the torsion bar tube:
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Suspension pan:
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Lots of rot to cut out but to be honest I thought it would be worse, so not too stressed.

Went for a spin in one of these.
What a car. Docile and gentle....until you put your foot down.
That motor is utterly addictive.

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Started cutting away the rotten suspension pan and fuel tank carrier.
I spent a few hours drilling out the spot weld on the fuel tank support and then decided to cut out the whole thing and grind away what was left of the seams.

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I hope I can save the front panel ($600 odd from RD) and patch along the sides and along the bottom. Here is my attempt at creating a patch template.

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A sort of rally patch....

Wow, there is a lot of work there! I'm 50% jealous and 50% relieved that it is not me, haha!

The patch idea looks good. While you are at it, you can also work in a bit of a recess for an RSR style oil cooler... mmmmm...

Kinda what I'm getting at....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/506207-elephant-oil-cooler-duct-install.html

I know the vision a 911R of sorts, but this could still be a nice touch.

What does that 2.2 E engine have a green shroud? The green shroud is a midyear 911S item. It should be black on a 2.2E engine.

Don't get me wrong, the green shroud has better air flow but would cause me to look a bit deeper into what this engine actually is.

Thanks Bear911.
To be honest doesn't feel like I've done that much when I see the car in the garage every day. New steel welded in and everything in primer will be a major milestone.

Can't wait for it to be all in primer. Sanding primer gives a sense of progress.....strange considering that after years on shiny boats I can't bare bloody sanding!

Chin cooler mod is interesting. Would solve my missing metal problem.
But it necessitates an rs front bumper?
I have a 's' front bumper. Will run an oil cooler in the wing.

I think the rs/r front bumper with oil cooler works on the hips of an rs/rsr.
Last week's plan was to keep the skinny hips of this one......but do have a set of original steel carrera flares.

Green is correct for an early E. T was yellow, E was green, S was red. 73.5 was black over yellow gell coat.

It's a 2.2E.
As Flieger correctly details.
At numbers / part numbers are correct.
The internals may have been changed, the mfi pump recam'd, but I doubt it.
155/160hp in a light car should be more than enough for me.

Started on the body.
Used a sponge roller to get the first coat on, on the outside.
Sandblasted steel gives a great surface for the paint to bond to.

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Then broke out the spray gun to do the interior and underside.

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Indicator housings were remarkably intact.

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Then some sanding and a second coat of primer.
Changed colour to help with cutting through.
Lovely stuff to sand.
180 then 400 wet and dry.

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And more sanding....and more sanding.

180
400.
800.
1200.
Repeat.
Getting ahead of myself but the roof and quarters come up beautifully when you spend the time with the sand paper. But lots of rust to sort before we get close to getting the primer smooth.

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The bottom of the car looks a bit like a sieve in places.
Some places will need to be cut out and patched, but the repairs don't give me access to places that will no doubt have surface rust: suspension tube, bottom of the rear wheel house below the torsion tube, transmission tunnel, the box section in the engine bay, behind the heater tubes and in the cavities behind the lower suspension pan.

So my plan involved a petrol sprayer and water-based rust converter.
Dilute the rust converter 2 to 1 and use the petrol sprayer to blast the stuff into every cavity until it drips out the various rust holes. Then cover with a rust converter primer (similar to red oxide but without the etch aspect)

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Bottoms of the doors are rotten (to be expected) but the rest is solid.

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New steel is a little pricy with a 10 to 1 exchange rate, and transcontinental shipping!
But now have all I need...or rather the minimum.
Have avoided ordering a front slam panel and the floorboard clip helps....two very expensive parts (considering no-one does a rhd replacement floorboard).

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The floorpan involved the now familiar hand stripping with torch, scraper and then 3M wheel. A nasty job. But considering the saving......

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The parts have been a mix of RD and Sportwagon Eckhart . SE is a bit cheaper on account of there being a few direct flights a week from Germany to SA. Both have been great to deal with.

You got mail.
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964 outer rockers very kindly 'loaned' to me. Indents will have to be flattened.

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These replacement lower hinge post patches are great.
Decent gauge and a nice fit.
From Sportwagon Eckhart.

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My only criticism are RD's rear window corners. They have no gutter lip. Will have to fashion some. A tricky little piece of work despite paying 120 $ for 2 parts.

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Interesting idea for the rear parcel shelf that needs the corners done.....like they all do. Smuggler's box pressing is the same as the parcel shelf on the swb cars. So I reckon I can sacrifice this spare cover to make two patches.

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Now all I need to do is get all these bits welded in!
Simple.....when you know how.

Shiny new metal, nice! How do you plan on flattening the indentations on the rocker panels?

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Originally Posted by Bear911 (Post 8135924)

Shiny new metal, nice! How do you plan on flattening the indentations on the rocker panels?

As far as I recall the way to do it is to make two vertical cuts on either side of the indent and then flatten them out with the aid of a buck and a hammer. Then weld and fill. Some guys weld in a little patch. Will see when I get to item #647 on the list!

A few bits and pieces I have been playing with while waiting for some real progress.
Colour scheme is an organic process...I call it spray can photoshop....

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Satin black engine lid works quite well...imho.

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With some gold pin striping tape

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Like the idea of going with black anodised window trim

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And some DIY grilles. Cymbal for colour reference.

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Centre filler....I remember a little chemistry

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And the Momo Monza Steering wheel. Something different, with a little R influence.

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Time to start with the welding.
After getting numerous quotes and trying to puzzle different ways of paying for the body to get sorted, I decided to do the metal work myself.

Short of a broken shackle on a wind pump, I've never welded anything before. I've digested a lot of theory from this forum and from the tube. We'll see how reality compares.

I've borrowed a little machine from a mate. Clarke 90 Amp. 25/75 gas and .8mm wire. Lots of practise on different gauge scrap to get the wire speed sorted......and some muscle memory.

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The first real project is to patch two rust spots at the front and rear of the longitudinal.

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Steel behind the lower door post corner is not great. Looks worse on camera than it is. If it weren't in such a tricky spot I would cut it out.

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Rear Patch
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And a coat of paint over the rust converter before it all gets covered up.

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Also drilled a hole at the top of the door hinge post to allow me to spray rust converter in the top...and wax when the time comes. Plan is to drill quite a few of these through the chassis: rear box sections, wheel house corners etc.

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Jack tube support plate. I'm sure there are better / smarter ways to do this but this seemed to make the most sense to me, with my limited skills.

Step 1.
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Step 2.
A mate gave me a great tip: I-Beam scraps as an anvil. A piece of railway track is ever better, but haven't managed to find a piece yet.
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Step 3.
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Step 4.
I need to get a mini cutting disk for the air grinder. A mini grinder with a 4 inch disk makes cutting accurately quite tricky.
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Step 5.
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Step 6.
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Step 7.
Backing plate. I welded a piece of round bar scrap to the I-Beam to make a buck / anvil. Radius is perfect for the bottom curve of the body.
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Step 8.
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Strip off the factory black and etch prime.

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That was about 12 hours of work.
Next steps:
- lower door hinge post
- rust patch behind kidney
- kidney
- outer sill
- door lock post patch into outer sill
- lower flare cut welded back on....

And then the same on the other side.
And the front, and the floor pan, and the parcel shelf, and the rear window corners.

The trick is to focus on what you have done, and not what is still to be done. A lot like life I guess.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Barnes (Post 8185669)

Also drilled a hole at the top of the door hinge post to allow me to spray rust converter in the top...and wax when the time comes. Plan is to drill quite a few of these through the chassis: rear box sections, wheel house corners etc.

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To plug these holes later, pop in at Skiffy in Midrand. They stock a great selection of plastic caps and plugs. As far as I can recall any quantity under 10 is considered a sample and come at no cost. Their catalogue can be browsed at Skiffy plastic parts, Skiffy metal parts, components.

Nice progress! I really like your solution to a jacking tube, and the welding looks just fine!

Next step: closing up the indents on the 964 sills.
Good practice for welding and grinding.
These things are filled with holes.

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A makeshift anvil. Round tube welded to a piece of I-Beam scrap.
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Welded up and ground down. Not the prettiest but a thin skim of filler will finish it off.
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Stronghand Tools. Good quality and a good price...even when imported with a silly exchange rate. Can never have too many clamps.

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And the dreaded shut lines.
Doors from a 71 targa.
Sills from the 90s.
Shell from 67.

Have been terrified of this step - combination of how much filler and fiberglass there was in the old patchwork of rusted, layered steel that were pretending to be outer sills, and my lack of skill / experience working steel. I hoped that somehow, by some miracle, I would be able to fit everything back together with the minimum of hammering, shaping and four-letter words.

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All credit to Porsche. Their bits really are made properly.
Usually a fair amount of lead, but mine was fairly unleaded.
Unlike the FBG front wings.
Has anyone, ever, in the history of car construction received FBG panels that fit?
I doubt it.
But at least they are FBG so working them will be relatively painless.

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Next step: patching the lower door lock post.......