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A sort of barn find
Been a reader for a few years now.
Have lived vicariously through the rebuilds and restorations featured here. So perhaps it's only right that now I begin to give back...although it will be hard to live up to the likes of Speedo, Jury and Fishcop (let alone that mad genius who lives near a bridge) I'll give it my best shot. This is what I have found: - 1970 rolling targa chassis - 1967 912 with a 2.7 and 915 - 1970 2.2 targa under a rather nasty flatnose bosy kit - a spare 2.2 E engine The cars were at the end of a parts lead I chased down; left over from an RS rep project. They've been standing for 5 years - in a shed at a steel mill in a high and dry part of the country thank goodness. Probably stood for 5 years before that. A mate and myself are going halves - he gets the targa, I get the swb and we split the rest, reuse or sell. He's most interested in the smooth top headlights from the 912 for the 66 S factory prototype he found in a garage last year! Theres a thread detailing that around somewhere. The 912 is rhd and I was thinking of an R (not another one!). The aforementioned mentors and their diy efforts can take the blame. Some minor resto work on my SC (right before it was smashed) has given me the courage (and perhaps stupidity) to take on the project. I have a wonderfully eccentric mechanic up the road who will help me with the mechanical stuff, i.e he'll drink beer while I spanner, but the rest I'm going to attempt to do myself. I have assembled a garage of pre73 shiny bits over the last year...not with a project in mind, but mainly because I couldn't afford a whole car. Those will come in handy. Here are some pics. T-minus 3 years. Start the clock! The roller targa http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368728292.jpg The 912 swb with burzel http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368728333.jpg The 70s beauty buried under an 80s beast http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368728391.jpg The spare motor. 2.2 E with correct mfi http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368728659.jpg I'll upload some more pics in another post. Cheers, Matthew |
Pics of the 912 SWB
'76 2.7 on k-jet. Rumours of a rebuild in the past...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368728857.jpg Burzel will go. Burn me at the stake but I've never been a fan. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368728988.jpg Someone's beach buggy is missing seats! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729042.jpg Barbara Striesand eat your heart out. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729074.jpg Tiny smuggler's box...for a 1967? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729110.jpg 15" 5.5s that I might hold on to. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729155.jpg Not good. RHD pedal pans are an endangered species. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729201.jpg |
More Pics of the 912 SWB
Front of the trans tunnel looks the worst
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729282.jpg Young at heart http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729321.jpg Rear seat pan http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729352.jpg Rear bulkhead - not bad on the surface***** http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729385.jpg Car comes with a lightweight interior http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729419.jpg These look factory to me (the thot plickens...) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729445.jpg Rear wheel arch http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729490.jpg What lies beneath....I'll hazard a guess! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729523.jpg Oh well. Was bound to break through somewhere http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729566.jpg 5 dials in a 912? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368729606.jpg So there you have it. A quick tour of yet another butchered and abandoned 912. I have a sneaking suspicion this car has a story to tell already: - fresh paint on the nose - 912 vin number - 6 cylinder engine mounts (and no sign of 1600 side mounts) - 5 period gauges Might well have had a smash and had a 912 front end, with vin, welded on. What we here in the South call a code 3. All opinions welcome. Cheers Matthew |
five guages is what a 68 should have only earlier cars had three a left over from the 356 days
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By 1967 lots and lots of 912s had the 5 gauge option. Mine does (Prodate 10/66). If you look at the two left gauges, they are different on a 912 than they would be on a 911. If you post of picture of those two, we can tell you more.
Show us your shift knob too, 4spd or 5spd knob? |
I'm fairly sure one could order a 912 with 5 gauges. Cool finds :)
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Matt, you must type faster than I do...lol
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Looks like a 912 tach. Can honestly say I've never seen a 3 gauge '67 912. 5 gauges were standard on the 912 in '67
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And so the learning begins.
Rules out conspiracy theory number 1. What about those engine mounts? Surely the car would have had round side mounts? |
Those mounts look like 911 mounts. A 912 engine mounts well forward of the 911 mounts. It almost looks like there is a little "shelf" in the back of the engine compartment due to the smaller 912 engine.
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I wouldn't rule it out. Usually it is the other way around though, passing a 912 off as a 911. Certainly a quick cleaning will help show if the old mounts were removed and new texture was sprayed. Might even have been rear ended and a rear clip from a 911 installed? Any funky weld lines running through the rear wheel wells?
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The area circled looks to me like it might have been altered. I found a couple shots on the internet showing someones swap from 912 to 911 mounts. It can be done in a way to make it very difficult to spot.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368750494.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368750521.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1368750541.jpg |
is that a hardtop sitting on the targa? would love to see some shots of the bottom of that.
good luck with the project! |
All your cars are "Barnes finds"!
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Barnes finds indeed!
A quick update: Have managed to swap steel panels on my car for a full set of fbr panels off a 912 R that a chap wants to return to 912 look. So front fenders, bonnet with centre filler, centre filler tank, bootlid and full set of bumpers. 2.7 engine will be swapped for two 901/911 gearboxes, one of which is e/s spec. I'll then trade the spare 901 and the mag case 915 in the car for labour towards a rebuild of the 2.2 E on MFI and the matching spec gearbox. So essentially the target is 850 kgs with around 160 hp. All I need to do now is finish my garage so I can start stripping and stare the inevitable rust in the face (with no hint of fear!) The reference at this stage is this little monster: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369207552.jpg For those who haven't seen it. This is a great reference site for R's / T/R's ST's etc. |
You will love the 2.2 E engine...
Frank |
Update
Engine out without any fuss.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369682266.jpg Graham (the chap in the middle) is keeping the 2.7 in exchange for two boxes. One of which I'll keep to put onto the spare 2.2E http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369682815.jpg Which leaves me with a mag case 915 and 901 to trade for the labour on getting the 2.2E and matching spec box into running order. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369683345.jpg The 2.7 engine will go into his targa so the targa's 3 litre on carbs can go into the 908...many hours have been spent plotting the trade. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369683312.jpg Then pushed the car down the road whilst holding the door closed with one hand, steering a knee and operating the semi-functional handbrake with the other hand. And onto the lawn... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369683485.jpg P.S. The zero carbon emission drive was done during daylight hours. The reason for the lawn is that the garage looks like this http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369683594.jpg Original colour http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369683663.jpg Under 46 year-old bitumen sealant spawn of satan http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369683741.jpg Pedal cluster is nasty http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369683842.jpg Parcel shelf hiding something... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369683898.jpg |
A few more hours
Scrap found under the dash pad (which I managed to damage :mad:)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684048.jpg Hand made. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684127.jpg Dials out. Lovely things these early dials. Speedo absent on account of tiny screw holding the trip adjuster...always one tool short of a completed job. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684202.jpg Aforementioned speedo in the background, original colour revealed after chipping away sealant with a scraper and a mallet, and footwell....I'm afraid it doesn;t look good the further forward you go. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684259.jpg Pedal cluster out. Just as I was about to order try a thermo nuclear bomb it surrendered and emerged. Might be able to save the clutch pedal. Mounting panel needs surgery. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684515.jpg Started stripping the engine bay. How does one get the harness through the tunnel - both ends sprout forth multiple trunks? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684763.jpg Started in the corners near the hinges and this http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684599.jpg Turned into this http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684644.jpg View from the top (same on both sides) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684686.jpg Fibreglass patches from underneath. Good solid crappy work executed with real intent. |
Sunday
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Finished up 12 kilos lighter with aching hands and a crick in my neck. Marvellous. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369684904.jpg Some inspiration affirmation on Sunday night. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369685051.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369685076.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369685112.jpg Pick up my traded R parts tomorrow. Swapping bits off this car and body panels from my pantry for front fenders with R indicators, rear lights, bonnet, engine lid, front and rear bumpers and centre filler tank. Painted, sorted, score.....all I have to do is another six months of bodywork..... |
Matthew you have been holding out on the PPAS brotherhood! I demand the punishment to be swift and painful!
I need to come visit you. |
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Apologies. Between work and trips to collect /swap parts I've been under the radar. Here are some pics from today's labours: Targa shell left for the vultures at a trucking yard. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369769695.jpg Ours went into a container. Rear parcel shelf is remarkably solid. A donor for the rotten one in the 912? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369770148.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369770165.jpg Picked up the 'R' bits I'm swapping for original steel body panels and light housings. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369769858.jpg These look good but don't fit into the indicator housing! Looks like I'd have to cut away a section of the lip to get them in:confused: Will have to look at the 912 they came off of. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369770208.jpg Helper number 2. Has a taste for spanners. Puzzled the steering shaft yesterday. White centre fill bonnet wouldn't fit in the back of the pick-up. Will replace yellow in situ. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369770356.jpg |
Colour scheme scheming
This happened by accident this evening.
Something rather nice in here. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1369770745.jpg Have been thinking that if I have to redo the window frames and bright work, I may try something different to go with the off-white (new) paint: Sort of yellow/gold cad plating colour? Thoughts? |
Project R update aka "The Lawn Ornament"
While the mechanical progress has been slower than anticipated, I have puzzled myself to distraction with options and variables and possibilities: colour combinations, narrow body vs Carrera flares etc etc...a natural reaction to the seemingly endless job of stripping the body by hand I suppose.
Wiring harness detached at both ends, but crucially still very much embedded in the spine of the car...the transmission tunnel is a puzzle. I'm thinking of leaving it in place. Electrics are beyond my abilities. Hopefully lots of labels and photos will help me bring it back to life in a year or two's time http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371492700.jpg Some of the original switches are beautiful designs in their own right. The parts bin in 1967 was top drawer. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371492830.jpg Interior is stripped of underseal....well mostly. Paint stripper and scrapers. Will take it back to bare steel next weekend...once the ringing in my ears abates after spending a few hours in the front with a 3M wheel. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371492628.jpg Floor is not that bad overall. It's the cavities that worry me....'sill' is a four letter word. The transmission tunnel has quite a bit of rust on the bottom. But how to get to it? Acid to kill the rust and fog it with rust preventer? Will have to do soem reading of previous threads. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371492922.jpg Bags and labels to combat a memory with the consistency of emmentaler. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371493168.jpg Started on the one door. Heavy duty stripper and scrapers (same ingredients as a good weekend in Vegas apparently). The inside will need a blaster me thinks. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371493246.jpg 3M wheel after two or three goes with said chemicals and scraping. Works a treat. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371493381.jpg Decided to do a small test on the suspension pan. Remarkably good knick http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371493506.jpg ...a few hours later the test scope had ballooned. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371493561.jpg Having no experience with metal, I was really amazed how stripping steel can be as rewarding as working with old neglected hardwood; how you strip away the layers to reveal fresh grain. Only pity steel doesn't have the scent. Suspect the underside is in nasty shape. Inside the suspension support, under the fibreglassed battery tray (blame the 80s) it looks bad. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1371493746.jpg |
So what's the feeling about sandblasting vs by hand?
To blast I'll have to build a hex jig, remove suspension, get the jigged car to a blaster with two bags of walnuts. Alternative is to keep going by hand while I have the jig built, knowing that certain bits will need a sandblaster to get them clean: - inside doors - fender mounting panel / hinge post - engine tray / suspension tube The idea would be to spend some of the money saved by not sending it out to buy a pot blaster which will help do the above, and clean up suspension parts etc when the time comes. Thoughts? With regards the body, I'm in for the following from the Canadian Metal Fans: - rear windscreen corners - parcel shelf (if I don't canabalise from a G-series or fab) - outer sills - battery tray - front right floor pan I suspect I'll need inner sills, the suspension pan supports. Big bill for me with the exchange rate at 10 to the dollar and silly shipping rates. Have to find another metal man considering I'm in a fight with the panelbeater with the jigs that employs the best one I've come across...all on account of an SC that has taken 8 months to repair! Cheers from chilly Joburg. |
I have NEVER seen a smugglers box like that. Is it unique?
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Smuggler's Box
Hi David,
Not sure. I've never seen one like that either. Mine is rhd if that makes any difference. Cheers, Matthew |
And it's a 912, not a 911!
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That's a RHD smuggler's box.
andy |
Thanks Andy,
...thus rhd countries are less partial to smuggling, or the value to size ratio in the 'civilised world' is far higher. |
I guess RHD cars never got the Webasto option then. Interesting - it's bloody cold over there!
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No blower to speak of.
I have a full SC heater set-up. May rig something custom under the scuttle. Not for personal comfort, but more for vision in winter....next year's problem! |
Progress...it's all relative
Evening.
A bit of progress. Have stripped one door....apart from the interior...any suggestions of how to get to the seams and edges inside? Interesting stamp: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372005834.jpg More fibre glass... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372005872.jpg A spray of WD40 (or other similar) works well to protect bare steel against flash rust. Spray and wipe with paper towel... necessary considering I'm doing all of this on my front lawn! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372005949.jpg Door solid apart from badly butt-welded corner I'll have to redo. Frost arrived, hence flash rust now an issue for anything exposed. Blue skies and frost...can't complain too much. Does mean the start time for any work is a bit later....reminds me of working in the shipyard in Holland, in winter...without flexible start time! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372006093.jpg |
Break a seemingly insurmountable challenge into little pieces.....
I have a plan for the marine ply shaped floorboard (the only piece in the footwell that wasn't rotten!) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372006248.jpg Think of stripping it back and treating it with a water-based sealer made by BONA. For anyone who works with wood, this stuff really is amazing: brings out the grain and natural colour and provides a very strong sealer at the same time. Pretty smart. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372006389.jpg Will get a very smart furniture designer (and fellow Porsche incurable) to make me up one for the passenger side. Natural wood will go with matt black and goldish cad plate interior colour scheme. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372006606.jpg Speaking of colour schemes, I pulled out a rattle can and did a analogue photoshop (shake, point, spray...) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372006672.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372006770.jpg Liking the gold with anno outer wheel colour. Thinking of paying homage to the original blue colour with stripes, or Carrera script line http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372006738.jpg Cheers, Matthew |
R Flares
I have a mk 1 Golf (Rabbit in the US).
Still made here in SA until a year or two ago. One of the 'flares' was cut out of the car when I bought it - in anticipation of the previous owner turning it into a lwb RS rep...another one! Had a close look at the Golf and realised the flare was pretty similar (from my uneducated pov) to the general idea of an R flare. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372007040.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372007124.jpg (The square edge and square fold-over will have to be amended....) Then I took the 'flare' off my car and compared it to the Golf: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372007081.jpg Radius is almost perfect match. Spare metal of the squared edges will aid extension. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372007206.jpg Original R flare measurement (7" but very different profile) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372007293.jpg Buying two rear flares from scrap yard will cost me $50. So, all things being equal, a pretty cost effective way of giving the metal magician the right start. |
So 70mm (not inches) vs. 50mm on the Golf flare.
The square edge of the Golf flare has a good 20 mm in it. With the exchange rate, it's cheaper than buying through TRE...and if it all works I get steel instead of FBG. |
Visiting mates who can see the light at the end of the tunnel is a good way to keep perspective when you're still in the dark of the tunnel!
Picked his brains about all sorts of details. He has invested a huge amount of time in finding and testing the right local suppliers, so his school fees are in fact priceless. His E is in the home straight (apart from a botched touch-up on the rear 1/4 panel). If I was him I would have been in jail for GBH! Importantly, his daily driver is a RS2....so he has the t-shirt and the badge. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372008834.jpg This is the best local equivalent for rust conversion http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372008881.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372008960.jpg Which I'll need for my rusty bits (inside the doors). Apply, dry, clean with thinners and prime. Should work for the transmission tunnel. So this is what I think the order of repair should be. Some input please: - build the hex jig - Strip suspension - send suspension parts off for cad plating / powder coating - send shell to get blasted - take shell straight to a Panelbeater to shoot epoxy sealer - and cut / weld in new panels (restoration design or other) - shoot primer (doors, lids etc as well) - back home to reassemble - will do stone chip underneath, engine bay, and satin black interior myself - refurbed suspension back on - motor and g-box in as is (may get g-box checked before..) - send back to PB (now heavy) for panel gaps and final spray - get engine going in car (hopefully...) - interior installed (....circa early 2015!) This is the plan until it changes. Cheers, Matthew |
Decided to start on the other door and exterior today.
An hour in between meetings. Compared to how long the previous stripping took me, this lot was a massive improvement. - razor blade scraper - heavy duty paint stripper left to sit for 30 minutes - poly wheel to clean up residue Helps to have two sections going at the same time: leave the stripper to sit while you work the other surface. The door skin, the roof and the 1/4s took an hour to get back to bare steel (well almost) Poly wheel really works quickly when you've broken through the paint with stripper. Running the scraper blade at a 45 angle lifts the paint off in layers http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372091094.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372091137.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372091159.jpg The lhd rear window sill is a bit of a mess. Bad repairs and lots of filler, but thankfully no FBG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372091204.jpg Top half of door lock panel is solid... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372091227.jpg Bottom is another story...Crooked as an old lady's arthritic fingers. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372091278.jpg Outer sill is definitely going to come off, as with the other side. Hope the inner sills are in better condition....not going to hold my breath. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372091577.jpg Time's up. More tomorrow hopefully. A little bit every day. Reckon I could have the exterior back to metal in a day...oh for a full day with no work interruptions. If only the interior was as simple as the exterior. The residue from the bitumen stuff eats poly disks...the resonance of the disk on the panels means ear plugs are an absolute necessity. Cheers, Matthew |
The three numbers on the door should be the same as the last three of your chassis number, and the same numbers should be stamped inside the headlight buckets and on the inner centre rib of the engine lid - that's if they're original to your car. Early swb's had all the panels matched before painting.
The loom comes out from the back of the centre tunnel to the front on swb's (opposite for later LWB cars) I have just finished restoring a 66 swb in this UK thread - might be helpful in a few places as I also had to solve a few puzzles along the way! You need an hour or two to spare. DDK - Die Deutschen Klassiker • View topic - 66 LHD 'Doctors Car' restoration begins I recommend the DDK website for early Porsche owners Mick |
Thanks Mick.
Just did a quick look at your thread: page one and page 14. Holy moly. Amazing resuscitation there doctor. Will certain spend more than a few hours going through it in detail. My original panels were long gone. Replaced with fbg in a trade. The door hinge has a 5 stamped on it. Thinking maybe I can leave the loom in and work around it. Having to put it back together is a monster in the cupboard for me. Will have a closer look at your process. Thanks again. Matthew |
Some progress on the stripping front.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372456292.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372456312.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372456332.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372456348.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372456377.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372456392.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372456444.jpg Can't wait to get rid of the Burzel.. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1372456490.jpg A few of these around. But a rare, 'no fibreglass' repair...must have been a shortage of hardener! |
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