3.0L CIS CO% measuring! Is it Lean?

zosyn · 07-29-2002, 09:13 PM

Hi guys,

I am setting the mixture on my 3.0L Euro motor that I just put in my 70 targa.

It's a 3L with no cat, no air pump, and the older CIS with no O2 sensor.

The Gunson CO meter that I am using shows the idle mixture to be 5.0%. It know that this should be around 3-3.5%.

But went I hit the throttle. The CO drops to less that 1.0%. Is this too lean? I have idle mixture set at 5.0 CO because I don't want to run lean in mid range. What should the mid-range and high rpm CO measurement be?

Should I remove shimms from the check-valve in the fuel distributor to richen up midrange?

Also my Distributor advance is set at max of 40 btd. It doesn't run very well if I drop it to the recommended 35. It 40 too much? I don't think its detonating.

This is my first Cis car so please any help is appreciated.

Thanks

1980SC · 07-29-2002, 09:21 PM

Get yourself a CIS fuel pressure testor. Very handy for diagnosing CIS issues. I spent forever trying to get my mixture correct until I found out it was the WUR malfunctioning.

Rob
1980SC

john walker's workshop · 07-30-2002, 07:50 AM

5% is still too rich. idle mix doesn't have much, if any effect on mid range on CIS cars. yes, 40° total advance is too much. yes, decreasing the main system pressure by removing a shim or two. provided they're the real thin ones, will help to richen mid range.

pbs911 · pbs911's Garage

I received my Gunston Gastester last week. Keep in mind that it is only accurate to + .50, so a 3.0 reading could actually be a 2.5 or 3.5. I found this in the fine print somewhere in the documentation provided with the unit. Still not bad for a $125 unit.

I adjusted my 78SC (no O2, no air pump) down to 2.5 and it had NO power under acceleration. Finally raised it to 3.5 on the meter and it runs very well.

MAS956 · 07-30-2002, 08:44 AM

Follow-on question:

My recent smog check result for CO% was ".02" . Does this mean 2 percent or 2 hundredths of a percent? I realize that either way it sounds like I'm too lean and I hope that richening the mixture will help the hunting idle.

Thanks,

zosyn · 07-30-2002, 11:04 PM

When they do a smog check they measure the CO% from the tail pipe after the catalytic converter. To set the mixture you have to measure it before the cat. ".02" CO% after the catalytic converter has cleaned it up.

Any one know what the CO% should be for a 79 3L with CIS. When I set idle to 3.5, I get midrang CO% less than 1.0. Is this too lean?

dean · 07-31-2002, 03:18 PM

I set my 930 to 3%. I think that in the manual it says that your reading will go down if you rev the motor. I also noticed when I take the allen wrench out while adj. the mixture went from 3% to 1%. That little bit of air really makes a diff.

Eric Mckenna · 01-25-2003, 07:56 AM

John Walker, anyone one who may know..

quick question..
To get the max performance or of my car.
what would you set the co setting to if you had this set up.

82SC motor
SSI's
GHL 2 in 2 out exhaust.
what would be a good co setting to get the th to run well and not to rich but not to lean?

Thanks I am asking as I am trying to find that happy / sweet spot
IS it also true to always make adjustments while the car is off.. then start her up to see the setting? so only adjust the mixture while car is off.

Thanks Guys
Eric

surflvr911sc · surflvr911sc's Garage

Hit the 3-3.5% range. If you have your O2 sensor connected, disconnect it. Then set your timing to 35* max advance. It will run like a top!

surflvr911sc · surflvr911sc's Garage

You'll need to make adjustment w/ the car at idle then give her a few to stabilize and check your CO reading. After I finish adjusting I take it out for a run around the block and check it again. More than not I need to make an adjustment after this.

Eric Mckenna · 01-25-2003, 08:06 AM

That seems very rich... as the factory setting says only to have it at like .06% so you think 3-3,5 % is the way to go with having all the listed items.. I do not have a 02 sensor car...

Thanks!

surflvr911sc · surflvr911sc's Garage

JW swears by it and many of us have done the same and loved it. Really smoothes out the idle and low end surging that many CIS car experience. Work for me!

Eric Mckenna · 01-25-2003, 08:10 AM

Thanks..
you say that the setting are once again clockwise to lean and counter to fatten?

surflvr911sc · surflvr911sc's Garage

LOL

We really need to stay on one thread here! LOL!

Eric Mckenna · 01-25-2003, 08:13 AM

HAHHA.. I have what I need.. Thanks brother! HAHAHAH1 I know I was jumping back and forth.. HAHAH
Thanks again.

Eric

john walker's workshop · 01-25-2003, 08:18 AM

eric, clockwise to richen.

Jbabic · Jbabic's Garage

Eric, Simple Memory....Right to Rich, Left to Lean....

beepbeep · 01-25-2003, 10:21 AM

As far as i understand it , idle CO-adjustment screw only affects idle CO and is hardly noticeable as soon as you step on a accellerator.

When me and Jocke did sniff-tests on our 930's we both got 0.1% CO @ idle...(i also got 4.5% with non-warmed up engine, WUR fully on).

So i doubt that adjusting that will make engine run smoother troughout rev range, as that screw is only adjusting end-position for CIS-flapper and is out-of-the-loop as soon as you step on it and flapper goes down in the rush of the air.

WERK I · WERK I's Garage

From what I have read in the Bosch Technical manual on CIS, the adjustment is linear throughout the RPM range of the engine. 5% at idle will result in 5% at 3500RPM. Unlike carburetor systems, where the idle adjustment screw is adjusting the metering in the idle circuit, the CIS idle adjustment adjusts fuel pressure. The adjustment is fairly sensitive to even minute turns with the tool.

dean · 01-25-2003, 04:20 PM

It seemed to me that the adjustment affected the whole rpm range. If it is fat at idle it is fat high rpm. Unless you have a high boost motor.

You can adj. the mixture while the motor is idleing. Just don't rev it with the tool in the hole. My CO meter settles very quickly (1-2 secs) after an adjustment.