3.6 A/C Upgrade

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by wwest

Insulting the female gender..??

Pffffft - you know what I am saying.

My sister is an "L-word" and I love her dearly.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

This is like asked a high society woman to work as a maid. Not gonna happen... No reason to keep talking about ineffective solutions. Unless wwest is willing to post the videos showing it works.

You've forgotten the purpose of the video...

The fact that it "works", rear lid condenser cooling fans, should be well estabished in everyone's mind at this point.

The question that remains....

Does the rear lid condenser pressure rise substantively upon HOT engine shutdown by "happenstance", when certain common A/C conditions co-inside...???

Kuehl's test was seriously flawed so it's again up to me to prove to the naysayers that the sun rises in the east every morning.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

No reason to keep talking about ineffective solutions.

+1 - but it ain't gonna happen.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by wwest

The question that remains....

There are really two questions.

1. The potentially high psi condenser/high side pressure post shut-down

2. Why it's necessary to bash kuehl and consequently throw threads off course.

[brads911sc]

Hmmmm was my test flawed as well? If so, how?

[wwest]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

There are really two questions.

1. The potentially high psi condenser/high side pressure post shut-down

2. Why it's necessary to bash kuehl and consequently throw threads off course.

My intent is moreso to "bash" Kuehl's product marketing, fraudulent/misleading data, etc.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

Hmmmm was my test flawed as well? If so, how?

You didn't give enough parameters to say one way or another...

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by wwest

My intent is moreso to "bash" Kuehl's product marketing, fraudulent/misleading data, etc.

Kinda getting old. :-)

In an attempt to facilitate putting some of the insanity aside.......

The topic of overheat post shutdown, I have found a solid link that says the expansion valve moves from fully open to fully closed depending on evap temps and cooling demand (or something like that).

Your car

So from what my layman mind recalls per wwest in the Gilligan thread a too cold evap would close the expansion valve. Now, if the compressor continues cranking and ramps up the high side to 400+ pounds, which I have seen on a 930 with a blocked valve, it establishes the baseline scenario for the post shutdown heat escalation theory.

If we disregard the closed/partially closed bleed over argument and just assume the valve is blocked maybe that could move us towards a smaller set of variables?

Could the expansion valve be tricked into closing, if in fact they do close with the older 911's - let's just assume they do close for the sake of closure. I am still ready to spring for the X valve test.

Yes, I read the post where kuehl said they do not close. But if it's assumed to be blocked we can put this aside, maybe?

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

There are really two questions.

1. The potentially high psi condenser/high side pressure post shut-down

2. Why it's necessary to bash kuehl and consequently throw threads off course.

I imagine that the "answer" to question #2 is that wwest has some kind of repressed attraction to Kuehl, and rather than act upon those emotions, he attempts to bury them under displays of aggression and hostility.

[brads911sc]

Wwest realized that pressures don't actually rise post shut down. His fans are only marginal at temps at under 80 degrees. And he realizes that 90% of those that want cold air will need to spend $$$. He has both buyers remorse for the snake oil spal fans he bought and regret that he didn't buy a solution from the beginning that would be truly effective. He is bitter that keuhl called him on it from the beginning. So he spends his effort bashing the most successful of the aftermarket ac vendors. Lame and sad life.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

He is bitter that keuhl called him on it from the beginning.

So are you thinking that regardless of the outcome of the "video" the unsportsmanlike behavior will continue?

[brads911sc]

He stated that in a previous post. He stated that his bashing of Keuhl started when Kuehl stated that the spal fans would not be effective... And that his theory was incorrect. Wwest then went on a mission to discredit him. He has been ineffective because the products work as advertised and people will spend their money as they see fit.
Like Reid, wwest shoots himself in the foot and won't even get a chance at being taken serious without videos because he is so nasty with no proof. I suspect that if his video failed to go his way wwest would just find another reason to try to destroy Griffiths

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He is bitter that keuhl called him on it from the beginning.

So are you thinking that regardless of the outcome of the "video" the unsportsmanlike behavior will continue?

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

He stated that his bashing of Keuhl started when Kuehl stated that the spal fans would not be effective...

Yes, he searched and found that kuehl did not have the qualifications that met his standards. Therefore.......................

But the real reason must simply be having been rebuffed.

[brads911sc]

When you are rebuffed by a very successful ac vendor with products that work as advertised it is a blow to your ego and credibility. He would be much better served to state his theory. Prove or disprove with video and move on. If he actually proved it, it would be Khehl who would be searching. The issue is that more than one of us have hooked up gauges, shut off the system and saw no rise in pressure. All he can do is call us names and bash our methods as opposed to doing the tests how he feels it should be done. Of course he doesn't own gauges so again he shoots himself in the foot by trying to back into the theory using non pressure metrics like temps. The whole thing makes him look foolish. In the one thread he claimed that he proved barrier hoses don't leak and then within a month posted that he agreed with Kuehl that they did.. These inconsistencies further erode any credibility.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

When you are rebuffed by a very successful ac vendor with products that work as advertised it is a blow to your ego and credibility.

Kuehl's products work, and work well, BUT most certainly NOT as advertised.

He would be much better served to state his theory.

My theory, perfectly logical theory, has been well stated over and over....

Prove or disprove with video and move on.

The 30F rise in condenser fin/vane temperature was proof enough for anyone who can read and understand a P/T chart/table. In a strange way even Kuehl's testing, while seriously flawed, proved my theory to be correct. How many minutes did he say it took for the high and low side pressures to equalize..??

If he actually proved it, it would be Khehl who would be searching.


No, Kuehl is simply caught between a rock and a hard place. He cannot answer my questions honestly without admitting his past claims have been misleading (intentionally?). On the other hand if he doesn't rebute my claim by answering the questions then the logic behind my counter-claims will prevail amongst the majority.

The issue is that more than one of us have hooked up gauges, shut off the system and saw no rise in pressure.

Describe your exact procedure...?

All he can do is call us names and bash our methods

as opposed to doing the tests how he feels it should be done.

But I did the test EXACTLY as I feel it should be done...It's the feeble-minded naysayers that cannot understand a P/T chart that question the result.

Of course he doesn't own gauges so again he shoots himself in the foot by trying to back into the theory using non pressure metrics like temps.



I don't understand. Kuehl himself has stated that pressure can be cross-referenced into temperature and vice versa.

The whole thing makes him look foolish.

ME..?? Not me....

In the one thread he claimed that he proved barrier hoses don't leak and then within a month posted that he agreed with Kuehl that they did..

I agreed with Kuehl that "ALL" hoses leak....

These inconsistencies further erode any credibility.

I did not agree that the leakage unique to our cars was due to the "standard", design use acceptable, leakage.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

When you are rebuffed by a very successful ac vendor

I got crushed by Bill Verburg once for shooting my mouth off. I just ate you-know-what, stated I was wrong and laid low. Seemed to work ok.

[brads911sc]

That is what wwest should do. But trolls are in it for the game not for the knowledge...

[wwest]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Kinda getting old. :-)

In an attempt to facilitate putting some of the insanity aside.......

The topic of overheat post shutdown, I have found a solid link that says the expansion valve moves from fully open to fully closed depending on evap temps and cooling demand (or something like that).

Your car

So from what my layman mind recalls per wwest in the Gilligan thread a too cold evap would close the expansion valve. Now, if the compressor continues cranking and ramps up the high side to 400+ pounds, which I have seen on a 930 with a blocked valve, it establishes the baseline scenario for the post shutdown heat escalation theory.

If we disregard the closed/partially closed bleed over argument and just assume the valve is blocked maybe that could move us towards a smaller set of variables?

Could the expansion valve be tricked into closing, if in fact they do close with the older 911's - let's just assume they do close for the sake of closure. I am still ready to spring for the X valve test.

Yes, I read the post where kuehl said they do not close. But if it's assumed to be blocked we can put this aside, maybe?

Just buy a Kuehl supplied TXV, put it in your freezer overnight, then take it out and try to blow through it. Maybe attach, epoxy, a plastic tube to the inlet end first so you don't freeze your lips.

Oops, sorry, Kuehl only supplies the ($15-35) TXV as a part of $630.00 "kit".

Have to settle for the $35 one.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by wwest

Oops, sorry, Kuehl only supplies the ($15-35) TXV as a part of $630.00 "kit".

Sigh.

[brads911sc]

Not true. He will sell any part you want outside a kit. Get a life wwest. You are just straight lying. I have bought things from him outside a kit. If I was Griffiths id sell you nothing. Why would he? All you wish to do is destroy his good name.
Can also get it from our host. Geez wwest. It would be nice if you had just a little integrity

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Oops, sorry, Kuehl only supplies the ($15-35) TXV as a part of $630.00 "kit".

Sigh.