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wwest 07-29-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brads911sc (Post 7575045)
Not true. He will sell any part you want outside a kit. Get a life wwest. You are just straight lying. I have bought things from him outside a kit. If I was Griffiths id sell you nothing.

Why would he? All you wish to do is destroy his good name.

Can also get it from our host.

The resource I used...

Geez wwest. It would be nice if you had just a little integrity

Sorry, but since Kuehl doesn't publish prices I looked for his stuff at Pelican.

brads911sc 07-29-2013 02:02 PM

His prices are published on his site. Only the fender units are unpublished. A little integrity wwest. You have spent alot of time on there looking for things to dispute. Integrity? Where is it wwest?

Ronnie's.930 07-29-2013 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by brads911sc (Post 7575268)
His prices are published on his site. Only the fender units are unpublished. A little integrity wwest. You have spent alot of time on there looking for things to dispute. Integrity? Where is it wwest?

It's likely in the vicinity of his buttocks!

SilberUrS6 07-29-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7574716)
Kinda getting old. :-)

In an attempt to facilitate putting some of the insanity aside.......

Yeah, what he said.

He has claimed FOREVER that Griff gives misleading data, then never actually provides anything to back up the assertion. Data, reasoning - nothing. In fact, as far as throwing out completely made-up stuff, Griff couldn't hold a candle to wwest's prevarication in these threads when it comes to numbers, equipment operation, and experimental design.

So, asking him to simplify DOES NOT suit his goal of jihad against Charlie. Obfuscation is the name of the game here. Watch him change the subject, or nitpick at your thought experiment, in order to get you focused on the inconsequential details. The larger questions go completely unanswered while you and he scrape around in the weeds picking at nits.

SilberUrS6 07-29-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7574848)
So are you thinking that regardless of the outcome of the "video" the unsportsmanlike behavior will continue?

LOL, Bob.

Does the Pope poop in the woods?

SilberUrS6 07-29-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7575037)
Sigh. :(

Of course.

You expected something reasonable, and I told you how it would go.

He's just a straight up liar.

Bob Kontak 07-29-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SilberUrS6 (Post 7575748)
Does the Pope poop in the woods?

He pissed me off with the comment that kuehl does not sell individual parts.

I am going to ***** in his nest.

wwest 07-30-2013 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SilberUrS6 (Post 7575746)
Yeah, what he said.

He has claimed FOREVER that Griff gives misleading data, then never actually provides anything to back up the assertion.

If you did not understand, comprehend, the post below then you should have said so at the time..

Data, reasoning - nothing. In fact, as far as throwing out completely made-up stuff, Griff couldn't hold a candle to wwest's prevarication in these threads when it comes to numbers, equipment operation, and experimental design.

So, asking him to simplify DOES NOT suit his goal of jihad against Charlie. Obfuscation is the name of the game here. Watch him change the subject, or nitpick at your thought experiment, in order to get you focused on the inconsequential details. The larger questions go completely unanswered while you and he scrape around in the weeds picking at nits.

Whatever...

R-134a vs water.

176/2440 = 0.072131...

11% improvement using water as a test medium = 11% X 0.072 = 0.793441%

~0.8% improvement when adjusted for R-134a.

Pretty meager for a $630.00 purchase.

Page 2, right column, 1st paragraph, table 1.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&ved =0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ornl.gov%2Finfo%2F ornlreview%2Fv40_2_07%2F2007_ias_lowe-lmt.pdf&ei=PynoUaOpMcmxiQKW2oGgAw&usg=AFQjCNFtyG8A Rm7prtTcZ4ihRup7Q2ntEg

Barrpete 07-30-2013 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wwest (Post 7576317)
Whatever...

R-134a vs water.

176/2440 = 0.072131...

11% improvement using water as a test medium = 11% X 0.072 = 0.793441%

~0.8% improvement when adjusted for R-134a.

Pretty meager for a $630.00 purchase.

Page 2, right column, 1st paragraph, table 1.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&ved =0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ornl.gov%2Finfo%2F ornlreview%2Fv40_2_07%2F2007_ias_lowe-lmt.pdf&ei=PynoUaOpMcmxiQKW2oGgAw&usg=AFQjCNFtyG8A Rm7prtTcZ4ihRup7Q2ntEg

Please explain how the ratio of latent heats of 2 different materials at 2 different pressures relates to the efficiency of a heat exchanger.

wwest 07-30-2013 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Barrpete (Post 7576361)
Please explain how the ratio of latent heats of 2 different materials at 2 different pressures relates to the efficiency of a heat exchanger.

Kuehl might be a better person to ask this question since it was his test..

Barrpete 07-30-2013 06:56 AM

No, you pulled data from the link that you posted and are stating the ratio of the latent heat of water at 32 Kpa vs. R134a at 660 Kpa demonstrates that the heat exchanger is 0.79% more efficient.

962 07-30-2013 07:00 AM

How much are the fender units?

I'm curious somebody on the boards with a Silver Carrera re-built their engine to 3.8 spec and upgraded
his A/C unit with 964 or 993 parts.

I know he sold the car, but can't find the build thread....:confused:

wwest 07-30-2013 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Barrpete (Post 7576386)
No, you pulled data from the link that you posted and are stating the ratio of the latent heat of water at 32 Kpa vs. R134a at 660 Kpa demonstrates that the heat exchanger is 0.79% more efficient.

If the link information isn't self-explanatory I don't see how I can help, sorry...

brads911sc 07-30-2013 10:47 AM

In other words, wwest has NO clue... Very typical. No integrity. No honesty. Just making statements that have no meaning.

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<div style="font-style:italic">No, you pulled data from the link that you posted and are stating the ratio of the latent heat of water at 32 Kpa vs. R134a at 660 Kpa demonstrates that the heat exchanger is 0.79% more efficient.</div>
</div>If the link information isn't self-explanatory I don't see how I can help, sorry...

wwest 07-30-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Barrpete (Post 7576386)
No, you pulled data from the link that you posted and are stating the ratio of the latent heat of water at 32 Kpa vs. R134a at 660 Kpa demonstrates that the heat exchanger is 0.79% more efficient.

Kpa was NOT part of the test....

wwest 07-30-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by brads911sc (Post 7576765)
In other words, wwest has NO clue... Very typical. No integrity. No honesty. Just making statements that have no meaning.

Beyond what information is in the link, yes, I have NO clue.

brads911sc 07-30-2013 10:53 AM

Good to know. Hope everyone takes note and ignores you.

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<div style="font-style:italic">In other words, wwest has NO clue... Very typical. No integrity. No honesty. Just making statements that have no meaning.</div>
</div>Beyond what information is in the link, yes, I have NO clue.

wwest 07-30-2013 10:58 AM

Gonna take a LOT of heat....

An explanation, but no excuse...so my apologies...

More than 6 months ago I wanted to buy a new R/D and wanted be sure it was compatible with R-134a. Someone referred me to Griffiths and I subsequently attempted to buy a R/D. Every "lead" I followed at that time lead me to a Griffiths page "email for quote" or "call for quote". I did both. The email response was "we're out of the office and will respond later"....no response...

The phone call turned into a marketing spiel....

Even the other day when I wanted to get a TXV price Google led me to the Pellican site and Griffiths was not in the Google "find" list.

Again, no excuse, just an explanation.

wwest 07-30-2013 11:04 AM

Latest try.....

We'll look at your car data and get back to you early next week.

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brads911sc 07-30-2013 11:09 AM

I'm sure they will not sell you anything. I certainly would not!


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