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theclaw 08-15-2013 02:02 PM

Check out what we did about half way down the page below.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/643696-should-i-install-carrera-side-script-3.html



I ended up removing my script.

wayner 08-15-2013 02:55 PM

Thanks!

That thread was very useful.

Some may see it as the same but I recognized some time ago that a car with chrome trim vs. one with black window trim have very different needs.

Jeremy's blue car in that thread I think really benefits from a stripe colour coded to the wheels, as does the light green car in post 47 of that thread. Both have black window trim, and the stripe matched to the wheels integrates well and doesn't make the car seem so top heavy. More attention is shifted down lower.

On cars with chrome trim, I think the natural body lines already make the top feel light, and accentuating that seems to work on my car with the cibie and Gulf decals.

For me personally I think this leads to very different recommendations for blacked out trim cars vs chrome trimmed cars.

As Andy said, earlier in this thread, I agree that the stripe might compete with the Gulf decal, and the eye would be confused as whether the front to back trim line runs high or low on the body. .

The decals I have attract the eye to a high line across the body while Jack's black beauty with the Porsche script has a low line. In all of these good looking example there is no competition to mess up the line. Each of them work very well in my opinion. I love how well integrated Jack's early black cars colours look)

I think I have four conclusions:

1. Because of my tail stripe, as many of you have said, if I go with a silver stripe, it will have to be the Porsche stripe in keeping with the period look of my car (regardless how historically accurate).

2.I absolutely love the tail stripe and the Cibie/Gulf decals in their current placement.

3.If I add a side stripe I would probably have to remove the Cibie and Gulf decals or the car might look like a ransom note.

4. All of the cars below are stunning to my eye. None better or worse, just different.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1323301069.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1283127472.jpg


Instead of chrome, here is a dark windowed one without the script, but bright wheels unlike most of that era.
To my eye this later car with bright wheels doesn't need a script, although the white decal does draw the eye and I think it encourages the brain to connect the wheels together in the same way a stripe does, but in a less obvious way.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1314036311.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1323404077.jpg

With early chrome windowed cars both seem to look good.
Jack's car with a stripe works particularly well to my eye.
But, he has also put more refining touches on the overall look of the car as well compared to mine.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376529188.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376607060.jpg

theclaw 08-15-2013 06:19 PM

I like your taste!


Bottom line, do what you want to do. It's only vinyl. Comes off easy.

I had my script on for a couple of years with the polished wheels. After a while i decided to "de-bling" things a bit. I took the script off and finished the wheels "Scotch Brite RSR"


Before,


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376619318.jpg




After, No Bling


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376619367.jpg

wayner 08-16-2013 02:56 AM

I just realized that the two pictures above of my car and Jack's are the same size. I can't photoshop but I can cut and paste!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376650561.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376529188.jpg

wayner 08-16-2013 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reiver (Post 7602731)
It doesn't need anything....but that doesn't mean a stripe wouldn't look good.

So, it looks like Reiver's point is made.

Beltdrive's opinion has some merit as well (People know what it is without labelling it).

Not sure about Shane's point, but I may have to buy a case and sit down to consider it...
Quote:

Originally Posted by snbush67 (Post 7602982)
I don't know about a stripe, but you could use a beard and a cold Dos Equis.

No stripe...less is more?
stay thirsty my friends...

Decisions decisions.

So far the no-stripe camp is winning at 60%
In the stripe camp, the Porsche script group is leading the Carrera script group at 30% to 10%

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376653587.jpg

wayner 08-17-2013 05:10 AM

Final decision

No stripe!

To my eye the Cibie and Gulf decals do allow the mind to fill in that big expanse of black across the door without having to actually cover the door with anything.


As many of you have said, I too love the look as is, if it were to have a stripe it would have to be the Porsche triple stripe, but it doesn't need a stripe.

To everyone. I really appreciate your input


Decided

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376529188.jpg

rattlsnak 08-17-2013 07:29 AM

ok, so now that you've had time to rethink your final decision, stripe or no stripe? :)

wayner 08-17-2013 07:37 AM

No stripe :-)

wayner 08-17-2013 07:38 AM

I have a set of joe bob carerra AND Porsche striped that now need to be sold

( my daughter says it HAS to have the Porsche stripe though, no contest...kids ( but she has a point )

fasteddie99 08-17-2013 01:55 PM

FWIW, I agree with your daughter...as long as you remove everything else, ie, stickers and duck stripes.

mreid 08-17-2013 02:57 PM

But, but , but...this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...psae970b30.jpg

wayner 08-18-2013 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasteddie99 (Post 7607649)
FWIW, I agree with your daughter...as long as you remove everything else, ie, stickers and duck stripes.

Fasteddie, I appreciate that perspective. I find it interesting that Mreid posted almost the polar opposite opinion.

I now realize that when asking about a finishing touch such as a stripe, it really goes back to a bigger question:
"what type of car should I build?"

Before I began work on m basketcase, these were the two types of cars that I wanted.
I wanted both but compromised and built one somewhere in between ;)


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376853301.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376853313.jpg

RWebb 08-18-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S (Post 7603941)
If you do the side stripe go "PORSCHE" and like the photo below, add the line around the front and rear bumpers. The car below looks great.

do one like this but instead of "PORSCHE" have it say "Glorified VW"

mreid 08-18-2013 11:38 AM

To be clear, the Fittipaldi, goodyear, #1, and champion decals all should come off. To your point, it is definitely a matter of personal taste and if we all had the same taste, life would be boring. The picture of the 1974 IROC car I posted is my inspiration and I will have that sahara beige beauty just as it looks (minus the distraction decals listed above) finished sometime next spring.

I assume your daughter is not old enough to drive and therefore you are her world. If you put the decal she wants on there and tell her you did it for her, you will make her world. Just sayin'.

Joe Bob 08-18-2013 11:49 AM

Ask her if she likes this? It's silver, checker flag part goes to the rear, the "911" is die cut and will show as black.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376855322.jpg

wayner 08-18-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mreid (Post 7608831)
To be clear, the Fittipaldi, goodyear, #1, and champion decals all should come off. To your point, it is definitely a matter of personal taste and if we all had the same taste, life would be boring. The picture of the 1974 IROC car I posted is my inspiration and I will have that sahara beige beauty just as it looks (minus the distraction decals listed above) finished sometime next spring.

I assume your daughter is not old enough to drive and therefore you are her world. If you put the decal she wants on there and tell her you did it for her, you will make her world. Just sayin'.

Looking forward to seeing that as it progresses. If there is a build thread let me know.

As for my daughter, she's in college. While younger sh is probably more mature than me ;)

RWebb, don't tempt me.That would go well with my dos equis and beard

Joe Bob, is that stripe like this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376863650.jpg

Joe Bob 08-18-2013 02:10 PM

Yup....been making them for awhile. The one I posted was the wrong color for the customer. So I made him another and this one is up for grabs.

enzo1 08-18-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 7608825)
"Glorified VW"

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376863818.jpg

mreid 08-18-2013 02:33 PM

Wayne, here's the thread:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/713714-my-build-thread-5.html

I took a little break to install a popoff valve, hydraulic tensioners, and a new exhaust and rear bumper on the 1974. I'll be back at it in about a month.

wayner 08-27-2013 06:50 AM

Here is the picture that prompted me to add some graphics. It shows the lines well, but doesn't anchor it in the period. Nor does it provide much hint of its past track life.

Before and after (before being after the bare metal rebuild and after being after decals applied).
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377615046.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376529188.jpg

axl911 08-27-2013 07:00 AM

I know you've already decided....but I would have to say the porsche stripe.

The stripe gives balance to the car, especially in the middle section. Without it, it looks kinda fat in the middle. With it, it seems to shape up the car and give it the famous coke bottle look.

Besides, it would nicely matches the stripes you have on the duck.

wayner 08-27-2013 07:16 AM

You've summed it up perfectly. That is exactly why I have wrestled with the stripe decision for so long.

Thanks

I have also removed the gulf sticker from just one side as an experiment. I may put another back on but it changes the balance again.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376529188.jpghttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377616558.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376650561.jpg

wayner 08-27-2013 07:24 AM

More of my award winning cut and past skills ;)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377617032.jpg

techweenie 08-27-2013 07:33 AM

I think it's unnecessary embellishment.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377617613.jpg

wayner 08-27-2013 07:43 AM

I wonder if I'd be happier with a Porsche script that was just a plain triple stripe with no lettering? The label is actually one of the things that has held me back from doing the stripe.

Even the early cars had a trim strip from the factory. It seems to remove that fatness.

(BTW, A friend recently reminded me that nobody drives an old track car with RSR flares on the street to be subtle). ;)

Here is a pic of what the trim (or stripe) tries to accomplish

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377618202.jpg

testa-rossa 08-27-2013 07:48 AM

The strip that Singer did on their cars is pretty cool and classy
http://www.dgermancar.com/wp-content...jet-center.jpg

axl911 08-27-2013 10:21 AM

If you don't want the Porsche stripe or plain stripe, paint the oil pipes black.

The car looks good on the driver side w/o the pipes. However, on the passenger side, those white oil pipes add to the middle of the car...making it fat.

JeremyD 08-27-2013 10:34 AM

I'm not much for subtle when it comes to my car. Do what makes you happy.

nameisbauer 08-27-2013 10:55 AM

If it is not a carrera, then do not install that stripe. Like putting TURBO or M (bmw) or AMG (Merc) when it is not.

Car looks amazing with nothing, so you could stop there. But if you need stripes I dont oppose. Just Porsche, not lies.

wayner 08-27-2013 01:14 PM

Sigh...if the roll cage and the gold elephant oil lines (finned and non-painted to shed heat) don't look good to someone's eye, then there are a lot more things about this car that won't appeal to a person looking for that sort of car either. Its not that kind of Porsche. Its primarily a race car of the era when they could do double duty on the street and track, done with an eye to function. To some the gold oil lines are gaudy, to others it is pure car jewelry. Painting them would be like painting my wedding ring flesh colour, and they wouldn't do their job as well either (much like a flesh coloured wedding ring I suppose).

I appreciate well turned out original cars, I like the later era when a 911 became the sort of car to take a girl on a date, but I also like the cars that made racing history.

This car while not historically notable as far as I know, was just an old too many track-miles unloved car that I saved, and it will see the track again as well as the street. That use defines it and gives certain permission that a well restored numbers matching original is not permitted I believe.

Thanks everyone.
I enjoy reading the differing perspectives and common themes.

If it would be a stripe it would be the Porsche triple stripe. But I see Jack's car when I see it on mine. I'll leave the stripe to him, (immortalized on a skate board deck no less).

I am with Jeremy. This particular car is not meant to be subtle (tasteful hopefully, but in no way subtle).

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376565138.jpg

911SauCy 08-27-2013 01:25 PM

DUDE, read the pole! Its a unanimous NO!

All the people saying go for it don't have engine lid stripes, the car looks uber-nast just the way it is.

Leave awesome alone and go enjoy it for chrissakes!

Seriously though, nice car the way it is ;)

wayner 08-27-2013 01:32 PM

Love it.;)

Done


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