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Josh D 09-19-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S (Post 7664227)
What? Your Porsche has no balls?

Nope. But she moves fast (drove her hard on our first date) and high maintenance!SmileWavy

Augustus 09-19-2013 06:07 PM

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"If" you're going to blow your engine, it seems that blowing it from underneath would be a hell of a lot more efficient than how the fans in these pics are set up.
You're right about that!

Open the engine lid on my 993 after a hot run and you would think a lot of hot air would bellow upwards. Not so. The heat is trapped in the big fat rear fenders. Fenders are so hot you could burn your hand if you touched them.

mystro 09-19-2013 06:59 PM

I just pop the lid and let it cool down without a fan. I have done this for 20 years.

GaryR 09-19-2013 08:24 PM

Bunch of crybabies.. put your cheek on the fenders an if you can't hold it there start knitting..

Ronnie's.930 09-19-2013 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GaryR (Post 7665189)
Bunch of crybabies.. put your cheek on the fenders an if you can't hold it there start knitting..

Exactly which "cheek" do you recommend (upper or lower)?! :D

safe 09-20-2013 01:11 AM

I think the 993 can kick in the heater fan to blow air through the heat exchangers to help cool the engine while shut down.

tazzieman 09-20-2013 01:32 AM

I'm sure Kelogges could engineer an ice cold solution for the 11.86% of Pelicanites that need it :D

SCOTITUDE 09-20-2013 04:27 PM

Im a guy so.....i dont blow..... I lick.

Ronnie's.930 09-20-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tazzieman (Post 7665372)
I'm sure Kelogges could engineer an ice cold solution for the 11.86% of Pelicanites that need it :D

Right, but of course, if would not be available to the average DIY guy and would be so top secret that non-disclosure documents would be required! :D

dicklague 09-20-2013 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle (Post 7663261)
No, I'm a normal person.

I was thinking the same thing!!

If you are not going to stop at your own garage, do you take that big fan with you and a long extension cord?

Deadeye 09-21-2013 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by safe (Post 7665367)
I think the 993 can kick in the heater fan to blow air through the heat exchangers to help cool the engine while shut down.

This is correct, my 993 does have a temp sensor in the engine bay and will run the heater blower for 20 minutes after shut down if it gets hot enough back there. Flapper in the heater tube dumps the air back down over the cylinders.

72doug2,2S 09-21-2013 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dicklague (Post 7666720)
I was thinking the same thing!!

If you are not going to stop at your own garage, do you take that big fan with you and a long extension cord?

No, but hopefully you park outside where there is a breeze that will do exactly that. In my garage the only breeze is one I create.

Heat soak is real even if you refuse to admit it.

In the summer, I'm running just over 200 degrees and I think that is a tad high.

911SauCy 09-21-2013 06:19 AM

My operation. Seriously calm down "go-pedal" activity for a few miles prior to destination.

If it's a hot day 85+, i open the engine lid...

Thats all.

Ronnie's.930 09-21-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S (Post 7667075)
No, but hopefully you park outside where there is a breeze that will do exactly that. In my garage the only breeze is one I create.

Heat soak is real even if you refuse to admit it.

In the summer, I'm running just over 200 degrees and I think that is a tad high.

Optimum operating temperatures range for oil is 210-220.

72doug2,2S 09-21-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930 (Post 7667283)
Optimum operating temperatures range for oil is 210-220.

This is not a modern car and I run dino oil. Please post your references that the optimum temperature for "oil" is 210-220. I've read that above 190F oxidation becomes an issue.

Ronnie's.930 09-21-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S (Post 7667818)
This is not a modern car and I run dino oil. Please post your references that the optimum temperature for "oil" is 210-220. I've read that above 190F oxidation becomes an issue.

I'm not sure what your "this is not a modern car" comment is referring to as I made no mention that the temps I noted were modern car specific, and believe it or not, I am well aware that the 911s that are the subject of this board are not modern automobiles.

As far as my references are concerned, that number is based upon 30+ years of air cooled, and water cooled, engine experience, much of it in a motorcycle racing and aircraft environment, which has included working closely with many master engine builders . . . 210-220 is considered by most, if not all, to be the optimal temperature range.

Whoever claimed that over 190 is too hot simply did not know what they were talking about.

Reiver 09-21-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930 (Post 7667859)
I'm not sure what your "this is not a modern car" comment is referring to as I made no mention that the temps I noted were modern car specific, and believe it or not, I am well aware that the 911s that are the subject of this board are not modern automobiles.

As far as my references are concerned, that number is based upon 30+ years of air cooled, and water cooled, engine experience, much of it in a motorcycle racing and aircraft environment, which has included working closely with many master engine builders . . . 210-220 is considered by most, if not all, to be the optimal temperature range.

Whoever claimed that over 190 is too hot simply did not know what they were talking about.

Every engine builder I know agrees with this 210 is the sweet spot for flow and lubrication.
Maybe the poster was thinking about water temps.

Ronnie's.930 09-21-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reiver (Post 7667877)
Every engine builder I know agrees with this 210 is the sweet spot for flow and lubrication.
Maybe the poster was thinking about water temps.

Yep, and 210+ helps to "burn off" contaminates such as water and fuel.

72doug2,2S 09-21-2013 07:00 PM

Oxidation happens long before 210. His name is Mark Barnes

http://www.midtownoil.com/downloads/What%20Is%20Oxidation%20In%20Lubricating%20Oil.pdf

Ronnie's.930 09-21-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S (Post 7667943)
Oxidation happens long before 210. His name is Mark Barnes

http://www.midtownoil.com/downloads/What%20Is%20Oxidation%20In%20Lubricating%20Oil.pdf

Indeed it does - the oxidative process is happening all the time (including at room temperature).

That article is interesting, but like many such articles relating to oil, its claims are based on theory without offering definitive, real world test data. For example, where is the proof that the oxidation that occurs at oil temperatures above 210 does any harm to an engine that undergoes reasonable oil change intervals? And which is worse, accelerated oxidation of the oil, or running the oil at a temperature too low to remove water and fuel contamination (the article does not address this at all)?


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