![]() |
|
|
|
Throw it on the ground!
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,566
|
A/C HELP! Struggling with Desert Duty Condenser Hose Connections
I'm REALLY struggling with the hose connections on the desert duty front condenser because of the obstruction from the crash bar. Both hoses are straight fittings. I am able to get only one hose connected and think I'm going to have to change out one of the ends to a 45 degree fitting. Any ideas?
Any problem cutting the old ferrule off and recrimping a new fitting on (i.e. can you recrimp or will the end be damaged)? The condenser outlets are actually angled towards each other such that the hoses interfere with each other in addition to tight quarters with crash bar location. It almost seems like both ends should be 45's but changing only one might work. ![]()
__________________
Mark 1987 911 Coupe Granite Green Metallic My Cousin's Wife's Sister's Husband is a Lawyer. Last edited by mthomas58; 03-11-2008 at 03:12 PM.. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Los Alamos, NM, USA
Posts: 6,044
|
Are you using the correct ends of the hoses? What type of fittings are on the other ends?
The ferrules/fittings can be cut off but only at the cost of the length of the hose that the barbed portion of the fitting extends into. Cutting (splitting) the ferrule damages the hose underneath and to remove the rest of the fitting requires carefully cutting off of the hose (if one is salvaging the fitting - you cannot nick the fitting barb crests). Most shops just cut off the fitting and start over provided there is sufficient extra hose length. In bulk (wholesale) the fittings are less than two dollars so it doesn't pay to use expensive labor to salvage them. |
||
![]() |
|
Throw it on the ground!
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,566
|
Quote:
The barrier hose kit I'm using is from Kuehl and each hose end is labeled. The hose that is connected the picture goes to the top of the ProCooler and has a 45 degree fitting. The other hose comes from the bottom of the forward rear fender condenser exiting the bottom via a 90 degree fitting then runs forward along the rocker. I guess I could try flipping the condenser to ProCooler hose and see if the straight fitting will work on the ProCooler inlet. I'll try that now. If I end up having to cut off the end of the longer hose any problem putting a splice fitting in the hose? Seems like it would eliminate the need to properly orient the new end fitting before crimping.
__________________
Mark 1987 911 Coupe Granite Green Metallic My Cousin's Wife's Sister's Husband is a Lawyer. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 15,612
|
Can you put a spacer and use longer bolts for the bumper bar? That way you have some protection for the front condensor against pesky parking curbs, and the hose should fit.
|
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,067
|
Have you called the folks at Rennaire to get an opinion?
__________________
1984 Targa |
||
![]() |
|
Throw it on the ground!
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,566
|
Got it by flipping the condenser to ProCooler hose.....now just hope the straight will work on the other end. While trying to put the washer reservoir back in the fuel vapor recovery tank fell out....good thing however. The hose was cracked wide open at the fitting explaining why I smell gas all the time in the garage yet no leaks.
rusnak......great idea on the crash bar....it needs to be lowered not only because of the lowered cage but is sits above my chin spoiler which is torn up as a result (PO's driving - not mine ![]() ![]()
__________________
Mark 1987 911 Coupe Granite Green Metallic My Cousin's Wife's Sister's Husband is a Lawyer. |
||
![]() |
|
![]() |
Throw it on the ground!
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,566
|
Well, I dropped the crash bar down about 1" tonight using longer bolts and spacers and was able to flip the hose back to its proper orientation (straight fitting at the condenser and 45 degree fitting at the drier).
__________________
Mark 1987 911 Coupe Granite Green Metallic My Cousin's Wife's Sister's Husband is a Lawyer. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 15,612
|
glad it worked out. Is your car lowered, which is why you got the skidplates? Mine is lowered, and has raised spindles, so I scrape under heavy braking and whatnot. Sometimes on bad roads I am glad that I have the bumper bar too. It should be low enough to protect the $$ condensor but not so low as to catch big potholes and road debris. You should see the scars on my skidplates and the steering rack cover. I've had to heat and hammer out a few dents over the years.
|
||
![]() |
|
Registered
|
mthomas58,
Sounds like you innovated a solution for the problem, however it would be nice if it was a drop in design. FYI , it appears the fittings on the JAAI condenser are swagged tube with a loose nut rather than a brazed nut/fitting, however they are MIO's. The hose set ends are OE configured and SAE spec; straight FMO or FOR. You do NOT want to barb and clamp anything on the high side. Looking at the picture and samples of the condenser I'd say you could be safe to bent the condenser fitting ends as much as 15 degrees without creating stress, if you needed to. I don't know if I would want to lower the sway bar by extending the bolts and spacers because a collision with less leverage would bend something easier. ![]() Otherwise, PM or call us and we can customize the hoses for you for this problem. |
||
![]() |
|
Toxic
|
Aeroquip
__________________
Bruce 88 Carrera Coupe, 12 Dodge Ram Hemi, 69 Barracuda Fastback, 68 Barracuda Convertible 5spd The only substitute for cubic inches is cubic dollar$. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Los Alamos, NM, USA
Posts: 6,044
|
"E-Z clip A/C fitting system"
Have you actually used this system? Do you know that it has to be used with the specific Aeroquip hose? Have you found a distributer who will sell in small quantities (hose and fittings) to DIY hobbyists? |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
|
Quote:
I recall the Aeroquip system was more geared toward a shop that does "repairs" vs. production; the tools alone are nominally around $180, don't recall if that included the cutters (braided metal does a number on cutters), then you have the cost of the individual fittings and the hose all of which are many times more costly and overkill for the application; can't say if their fitting design was intended to be used with 'normal' barrier or reduced however Aeroquip's marketing leads me to believe you would want to also buy their specific hose construction. Overall, I might consider it for heavy duty applications, such as: buses, agriculture, construction equipment or maybe military service. |
||
![]() |
|
![]() |
Toxic
|
To answer Jim's questions,
Yes. Yes. Yes, American Hose & Hardware Incorporated 4987 Georgia Highway 85 Forest Park, GA 30297 Phone: (404) 763-1984 Give them a call if you need any kind of fitting. Tell them you know me.
__________________
Bruce 88 Carrera Coupe, 12 Dodge Ram Hemi, 69 Barracuda Fastback, 68 Barracuda Convertible 5spd The only substitute for cubic inches is cubic dollar$. |
||
![]() |
|
Throw it on the ground!
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,566
|
Pic of the fittings with the crash bar lowered about 1"
![]()
__________________
Mark 1987 911 Coupe Granite Green Metallic My Cousin's Wife's Sister's Husband is a Lawyer. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northern CA
Posts: 4,703
|
if this all works.. it should be throwing ice cubes at you while sitting in traffic on a 110F day
|
||
![]() |
|
Gasoline User
|
Mark, when you lowered the crashbar, what did you do about the center mount shown in the pic below? Could you post a pic of how you attached it to the front bulkhead?
Thanks, ![]()
__________________
Bob V 1974 911 Carrera coupe Grand-Prix-weiß 1977 930 turbo Carrera coupe Hellgelb 2018 Cayenne turbo Schwarz 2019 911 GT3 RS Schwarz Last edited by 1974carrera; 03-22-2008 at 01:01 PM.. |
||
![]() |
|
Throw it on the ground!
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,566
|
Quote:
![]()
__________________
Mark 1987 911 Coupe Granite Green Metallic My Cousin's Wife's Sister's Husband is a Lawyer. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 15,612
|
it would not be very difficult to weld in a piece of flat mild steel or even pop rivet one in.
|
||
![]() |
|
88 Carrera, Guards Red
|
the bar was supposed to have spacers on it in its stock configuaration...
|
||
![]() |
|