FABSPEED: Anyone else here having problems with them?

[Cuda911]

Last year I installed the Fabspeed Performance Package on my 996 (cats, X-pipe, headers, mufflers, and some other stuff). A few months later, I started getting CELs.

Fabspeed will not honor their warranty. Apparently, others are finding the same problem with Fabspeed.

Full documentation can be found at the links below:

FABSPEED - Cuda911's Cat Replacement Thread - Rennlist Discussion Forums

My Frustration with Fabspeed - Help what do? I do? - Rennlist Discussion Forums

So, curious, is anyone else here experiencing these problems with Fabspeed? If so, are you getting any resolution?

Thank you in advance.

[KNS]

Several years ago I had a Fabspeed Premuffler on my SC. One of the welds cracked and I called and asked if they would repair it (it wasn't that old at all). They said to send it back and they would fix it.

They did fix it but the Premuffler arrived back with a nice dent in it - no damage to the box it came in.

I'll be removing the Fabspeed 200 cell cat from my 993 and replacing with factory stock. It's just a little loud for my neighborhood at the early hours that I leave the house.

Interestingly, the 200 cell cat was installed on the 993 while it was still living in SoCal (previous owner). I don't know how it passed smog there. It does pass emissions testing here in AZ but we have no visual. Perhaps it was in rural California area.

[Tippy]

Last year I installed the Fabspeed Performance Package on my 996 (cats, X-pipe, headers, mufflers, and some other stuff). A few months later, I started getting CELs.



Fabspeed will not honor their warranty. Apparently, others are finding the same problem with Fabspeed.



Full documentation can be found at the links below:



FABSPEED - Cuda911's Cat Replacement Thread - Rennlist Discussion Forums



My Frustration with Fabspeed - Help what do? I do? - Rennlist Discussion Forums



So, curious, is anyone else here experiencing these problems with Fabspeed? If so, are you getting any resolution?



Thank you in advance.

What does the exhaust have to do with your CEL? What did the OBD2 state as a code? Did you hook it up to a Porsche Hammer?

Just trying to understand how FS is at fault?

[Cuda911]

Please see my link which provides all the details. The CELs are for bad cats, and shows up in the OBDII codes. (CEL – P0420 and P0430 codes)

[michael lang]

Sorry that you are having these troubles. It really is unfortunate but my only suggestion is that if you are really going to deal with productively, you are going to have to go through the legal route. Look at it like this, you've already posted on two different forums about your experience and there have been zero replys to any of the threads from FabSpeed and we all know that they monitor the forums. That's one of the tools they use to sell their products. Plus you are getting zero nothing accomplished any other way. What else can you do? Go to Philadelphia? Even I would not do that and they are only a few hours from me.
I met them once at the Hershey swap meet, they had a set of headers w/heat exchangers on display and I spoke with someone from them. After I walked away, I knew that was not who I was going to buy my exhaust from. So sorry you have to deal with this.

[TheSt|G]

No shocker. I took a full tour of their facilities once and left never wanting anything they make. Aside from the lackluster product, the employee trying to impress us by cold revving the piss out of a customer's Gallardo was downright criminal.

I really wish Supersprint made a full setup for the 3.2.

[Niche]

Fabspeed is not going to make things right. If you don't sue them, you might as well let the world know what they do. I, for one, thought they were a decent company until the recent multiple posts from customers. They're off my list.

[CCM911]

The owner is not a popular guy in our local PCA region. There is some really bad blood between him and some of the old timers. I never understood why, but after reading these comments, I am kinda getting a clue.

[dan212]

My experience with Fabspeed has been only first rate. I had a set of Fabspeed headers on my GT3. Used hard 99% on the track. After more than a year, one of them developed a crack. The offered to replace or repair the cracked one. I always use matched sets. I insisted that they replace the pair (see below). They replaced them without another word. I'd call that first rate.. Real stand up for your product service.

One reason I insisted on replacing the headers as a pair is that two years earlier I replaced one of my Fabspeed exhausts after a disagreement with some Armco. The new one was of substantially better build quality than the old ones which were maybe 5 years old. Nothing wrong with the other old muffler. The new one was just a better grade of steel.

They stand up for their products and they are constantly tweaking them to make them better.

My 997 race car came with some custom headers from the builder. I wasn't happy. Chucked them and put on FabSpeed. Thats how much I like FabSpeed.

Originally Posted by Cuda911

Last year I installed the Fabspeed Performance Package on my 996 (cats, X-pipe, headers, mufflers, and some other stuff). A few months later, I started getting CELs.

Fabspeed will not honor their warranty. Apparently, others are finding the same problem with Fabspeed.

Full documentation can be found at the links below:

FABSPEED - Cuda911's Cat Replacement Thread - Rennlist Discussion Forums

My Frustration with Fabspeed - Help what do? I do? - Rennlist Discussion Forums

So, curious, is anyone else here experiencing these problems with Fabspeed? If so, are you getting any resolution?

Thank you in advance.

[Jcslocum]

I cannot help in any way with Fabspeed, but I can give you some input on a possible CEL solution. This isn't in regard to a porsche, but engine exhaust is engine exhaust....

On our very high mileage Mini Cooper we began to have a CEL that would come and go. I pulled the OBD codes and it shows a bad cat. High mileage, maybe, could be right?? SO we get the dealer to change the cat. Brandy new OEM cat. 2 weeks later we have the CEL back but before we can get it to the dealer, it goes out. Clear codes and it's good for a week. CEL's back on. Take it back to dealer and they clear the codes say all is well. 2 days later CEL is back. So car goes to dealer, take out CAT, put in old one (Saved by us) refund $$ as the cat is not the issue. Old cat, no CEL for 2 weeks, then it comes on. I change the 02 sensors, clear codes and CEL stays out for a month. Chase the 02 issue for a month change many multiples of Bosch 02 sensors and get really aggravated. Do deep research on many forums and find that our German (English but really German) car came with NTK 02 sensors and we will get CEL lights if we use the Bosch!!! Who woulda thought that. German car, German sensor...match made in heaven.... Nope. Change to NTK (made by NGK) sensors and CEL light has been out for a year+.

The issue you are probably having is the 2 - 02 sensors are measuring a differential in voltage due to the difference in crap in the exhaust stream. Once is before the cat and one after, measuring cat effectiveness. If the Delta isn't right...CEL time. SO, you might want to try different 02 sensors instead of going crazy trying to get the CATs replaced and just end up with the same situation...maybe.

I hope this might help you with the CEL not Fabspeed. Good luck!!!

[911SauCy]

Why don't you send him a PM directly on here?

it's AJ@fabspeed.com or something of the like...

[jittsl]

I bought a complete exhaust system for my 993 motored 84/73 and got a lot of BS in the delivery process but am very happy with the actual product once it arrived.

[jackb911]

I had a Fabspeed center muffler on an ex-964 RSA and currently have one of their rear muffler bypass setups on my GT3. I've not had any service or ordering issues and both units were very well constructed with nice welding and polishing.

While I've read several unflattering threads on this and other Porsche forums, I've had no problems with Fabspeed's service or products.

Here's the GT3 setup. It sounds as good as it looks and saved some unwanted weight where it was least needed.

[cdrik915]

Very big & unsolvables problems with my RSR complete set.(911/3.2/1986)

Sames issues for a friend who bought the same exhaust set.(964 RS)

No heater tubing delivered with.

MP if you want details and pics.

Finally changed for a Dansk set.


No more comments here , to stay "friendly" in public.

[cdrik915]

Sorry , twice.

[Cuda911]

Someone asked why I don't PM Fabspeed here.

I have PM'd Fabspeed, emailed them, and called them. I have spoken personally with the owner, Joe. I have also spoken with others at Fabspeed.

At every single interaction, I am told something different. But, ultimately, they simply will not honor their warranty at all.

As someone mentioned above, certainly Fabspeed monitors the forums. When they chime in (on rare occasions) it is just to spout marketing baloney. NEVER do they directly respond to the issue at hand.

I really don't have the time to follow up through a legal action with a company that is across the country, so all I can really do is post on the forum so that other people can see what to expect from Fabspeed.

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by Cuda911

I really don't have the time to follow up through a legal action with a company that is across the country...

Small claims court is available in your location, I assume. I assume you can file a claim locally. IANAL, so you'd have to ask a legal professional.

[911SauCy]

Originally Posted by Cuda911

Someone asked why I don't PM Fabspeed here.

Too bad you're getting jerked around.

For something like this, legal action is a joke, social media is an incredibly powerful tool.

Act as you see fit and use it to make your impression on the future of their business.

You moppin' what I'm spillin'?!

Unfortunate, as I have a full FS exhaust on my car, it sounds, looks, and performs flawless.

[Porchdog]

After reading your RL thread I'm thinking that your real beef is with Konig.

If I read that thread correctly they mislead you regarding the legality of the Fabspeed product.

Assuming that they are a Fabspeed dealer/ authourized installer / whatever - why aren't they working with Fabspeed to make this right? The problem started only 4 months after install.

If it was me - I'd be going after Konig. If necessary take them to small claims court locally.

I'm not trying to defend Fabspeed here. It just looks like you might be more productive dealing with the guy local to you - let them take up the quality issue with the supplier.

[Niche]

^^
This. Dude, Konig is to blame as well. The cats weren't sent?