Will modification devalue car?

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by mike gilbert

The best thing about a 911 is that it is a kind of modular racer. I don't think there is anything wrong with taking advantage of that as long as your not cutting or drilling anything to the chassis or body, so in that make it your own 911 that will still gain value no matter what anyway...enjoy you track car made for the streets.

.... or rolling front fender edges.

Sorry to say that many 911 owners are becoming yesterday's 356 owners who look at any non-factory mods/accessories with a derisive label, "Outlaw".

[Scott S]

"I have a 1976 911S Targa, 43,000 original miles. Practically perfect car. Doesn't overheat."

Based on the above OP, I dont understand why this mod is being considered - especially on a car where you are concerned about originality.

Why are you even thinking of doing this??

[jwasbury]

Do you plan to drive the car?

20k additional miles on the car in question is a 50% increase. What impact will that have on the value?

If the car is part your investment portfolio, park it, don't touch it, keep it in a bubble.

If you bought it to drive, then put an oil cooler on it.

[mike gilbert]

Originally Posted by mike gilbert

The best thing about a 911 is that it is a kind of modular racer. I don't think there is anything wrong with taking advantage of that as long as your not cutting or drilling anything to the chassis or body(unless your building a real racer), so in that make it your own 911 that will still gain value no matter what anyway...enjoy you track car made for the streets.

If your concerned about engine temps just don't drive when it 100f outside, I don't and I have a cooler.

[mike gilbert]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

.... or rolling front fender edges.

Sorry to say that many 911 owners are becoming yesterday's 356 owners who look at any non-factory mods/accessories with a derisive label, "Outlaw".

Well if there really going to race the car that's their prerogative and I can understand that too because the 911 is such and exclusive car for the track. I would hope that all original cars that are top notch not get molested but I just don't think about those things.LOL You only live once and you cant take it with you, there is nothing else like air cooled 911's so no reason to ever get rid of it. Its all about fun and the 911's charm is unmatched. Im having fun keeping mine original but with the obvious needed upgrades.

[wayner]

Here is the answer to all our question:

[timmy2]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Someone saying a '76 with 43k mi would have no interest to collectors has not been paying close attention to the air cooled market the last 6-9 months. This car would be very interesting to a lot of collectors and the concern for respecting originality is well founded.

It is a '76 911s, with some modifications already performed. It is not a one of a kind 1964.5 mustang K code four speed convertible with one owner and custom factory paint with 45,000 original miles.

Sure someone could buy it and put it in a time capsule and wait 20 years for it to be really rare, or ship it to Germany where it will command big $ right now, but I don't honestly think it is a rare enough car for the OP to worry about drastically changing the value because he is improving the reliability so that he can drive and enjoy his car without overheating the engine.

Yes, I have watched the market Matt, actually someone just cancelled an engine harness order yesterday because they received an offer they just couldn't refuse on their '78 with 55,000 miles.

Personally, (and that is what opinions are)
I have no interest in preserving my '78 with under 90,000 miles for someone else. I plan on adding another 190,000 while I own it.





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[timmy2]

Originally Posted by MichaelUD

I have a 1976 911S Targa, 43,000 original miles. Practically perfect car. Doesn't overheat.



Would the installation of a carrera oil cooler devalue this original car which is in superb condition?

Are you the original or second owner with complete service records for the car? Then maybe, otherwise probably not so much as if done right, it is a factory option that can be removed.


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[tirwin]

Originally Posted by wayner

Here is the answer to all our question:

Dude, that is killing me!

I just wonder what they went through to make that video.

[mike gilbert]

[QUOTE=wayner;8235308]Here is the answer to all our question:



Oh my god when he said the wheels looked menacing that's when I lost it. Thank you so much, I haven't laughed like that in years...Man you got me good there for a min.

[Jrboulder]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

Sorry for the acronym, Exhaust Gas Recirculation. But I assume you're on the internet and not on a censored connection in China. Wikipedia has a more detailed explanation (and probably more accurate than mine or others), or the same one if I had copied and pasted it here.

yeah...and there's no "pump" in an EGR system.

unless, of course, you count the engine itself...

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by Jrboulder

yeah...and there's no "pump" in an EGR system.

unless, of course, you count the engine itself...

....or the air injection pump (sorry, not EGR pump):


Sherwood

[Topgun63]

I just added a Carrera oil cooler setup to my 1977 911S even though it is very nice original car, fully restored with paperwork from new. I want to drive it, not worry about how 3 holes in the inner fenderwell will affect the value. I was more concerned about the 225 degree oil temps when driving during the HOT Louisiana summers. I did it for the preservation of my engine and that...to me... is value.

[Jrboulder]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

....or the air injection pump (sorry, not EGR pump):

There ya go

Sorry, I just can't stand misinformation about emissions equipment. EGR only has one moving part (a vacuum valve), does nothing at WOT and the entire purpose of it is to cool the combustion chamber. So obviously it's power robbing, engine killing junk

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by timmy2

It is a '76 911s, with some modifications already performed. It is not a one of a kind 1964.5 mustang K code four speed convertible with one owner and custom factory paint with 45,000 original miles.

Sure someone could buy it and put it in a time capsule and wait 20 years for it to be really rare, or ship it to Germany where it will command big $ right now, but I don't honestly think it is a rare enough car for the OP to worry about drastically changing the value because he is improving the reliability so that he can drive and enjoy his car without overheating the engine.

Yes, I have watched the market Matt, actually someone just cancelled an engine harness order yesterday because they received an offer they just couldn't refuse on their '78 with 55,000 miles.

It's all relative. While I don't see 2.7 911s, outside of Carrera versions, bumping 6 figures any time soon, a year ago if you told me low mileage midyears would be hitting the market in the $30's I would have told you to put down the crack pipe. But it's happening right in front of our eyes.

Like you, not going to stop me from enjoying my cars. But there are collectors in all kinds of tax brackets. For some guys it's a million dollar vintage Ferrari. For others it's a $30k Porsche. Or maybe that $30k midyear helps round out their larger collection of some goal of owning one of each year of air cooled 911 ever made. But for some people, like the OP, it's a valid consideration, even if for many of us it's just not something we worry about. At the end of the day, we are debating a very very 1st world problem.

[MichaelUD]

This discussion is a real eye opener.
The car is fun to drive, does not over heat (Seattle doesn't get too hot in summer), and is in excellent condition. Original paint is glossy, I'm the third owner, a Seattle car, never driven hard, all records kept from 38,000 miles on by second owner who maintained it well (brake bleed every other year, etc), interior is clean without cracked dash, all gauges work. It's a very clean, fully functional car.

So, that's why I ask about the potential change in value of a major alteration to what in my eyes is a practically perfect car. (Emotional statement alert!)

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by MichaelUD

So, that's why I ask about the potential change in value of a major alteration to what in my eyes is a practically perfect car. (Emotional statement alert!)

It's not a major alteration. In fact, most folks wouldn't even notice unless you pointed it out. Add to that, it's practically a bolt-on, which means it's really easy to take off again.

If you aren't seeing high oil temps, don't worry about it.

[merlinfe]

Not driving your favorite car because your worried about the resale value is like not having sex with your wife because you don't want to spoil it for her next husband.

OP, do what you like. Keep the original parts in a box. Enjoy the car.

-Steve

[RDM]

Originally Posted by tirwin

Ahhhhh... The old "originality" debate.

Ok, one other point to consider. I saw a longhood the other day that someone had "upgraded" to a late Carerra body in the mid '90s. That car today - as an "original" - would be worth far, far more than it is now. So back then someone thought they were increasing the value of the car by making it look more modern. Now everyone wants their cars to look like early longhoods!

Not to go too off-topic, but back-daters take note.

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