Who wants to take Bruce Anderson's Engine Rebuild Class with me?

[pwd72s]

Wayne? Several times I have met, and exchanged words with, (last time, May 2001) the great B.A. I will do my best to avoid this happening in the future. 'Nuff said.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Pors911E
"We estimate the value of a 911 engine rebuilding class to be $250. At $600 we think the student paid too much..."

And at Pomona, you can easily find this class for $150.

[Wayne 962]

"You could be looking right at a big, lurking problem and never know it! That's a bit scary if you ask me. "

All of these 'scary' issues will be covered in the new book!

-Wayne

[82SC]

just in case you guys are wondering...bruce said no group deal...even for 10 guys...oh well worth a try.

Wayne...a suggestion

I'd release the book, let it get out there for a while, and then throw a engine rebuild seesion at PP yourself...

and you have the ultimate advertizing tool...BBS and book...most parts on hand...

plus if its local guys you can stretch it out to incorporate sending stuff out for machining etc...

you could even find a rebuild candidate on this board...add a parts coupon with the course...etc...etc...

[cstreit]

So wait,

THis isn't a hands on class? I'm not interested in spending 4 days WATCHING someone else do this...

I guess I'll call Bruce's shop and find out...

[pwd72s]

Gee Chris, I think you might be figuring things out.......

[JasonAndreas]

To be able to take the courses taught in Germany by Porsche do you need to be working for an authorized dealership?

jason andreas
1993 964RSA

[surflvr911sc]

I just wanted to be the first to volunteer my engine for Wayne's 911 Rebuilding Class!!! Pick me! Pick me!

[skinnerd]

For sure the best part of the engine rebuild class was Jerry Woods. I don't think there can be any question he is a highly knowledgable and competent hi-perf 911 engine builder. Their record when running the Garretson 935's speaks for itself. I could lose the "BA" portion of the equation and not skip a beat.

Chris, you should find out whether or not the class is hands on.... I doubt that it has changed. It was pretty much show & tell when I took it.

Wayne, I think people are on to something with you holding your own 911 rebuild course. There are so many hands-on things you could teach from dial indicators to torque wrenches to cam timing to on and on. You have such a following here, I can't help but believe you'd be inundated with students. You'd need to have a number of hands on examples and tasks.

And wouldn't it be great to have someone from Pacific Fuel Injection or PMO or SSI or Mahle or god knows who else for short topics (I guess I'm really dreaming now). Anyway I think you get the idea. There are a number of people out there just dying to learn how to work on their cars in a more independent fashion.

Just some more thoughts.

[Doug Zielke]

Originally posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

All of these 'scary' issues will be covered in the new book!

-Wayne

What new book???

[pbs911]

I would really like to go, but as others have mentioned, it would have to be hands on for $600. Sort of a "here's you motor to rebuild. Listen to what I say and follow the handouts that are a complete guide to rebuilding a 911 and yours to keep."

Alternatively, I will sit and watch if BA rebuilds MY motor in the class and I get to take it home. I'll even drop the motor and truck it up to the class!

Seriously, it will be a great experience but I can't get away.

[82SC]

i hate to get ahaed of ourselves..(I need a break from studying...so cut me some slack) but imagine this...

some garage space on the PP premise...and bring your own or borrow tools...about 6-9 engine stands with our own engine...and a warehouse full of parts!!

all of us under the guidence of Wayne and some others do the same stage of the rebuild at the same time...first do disassembly and cataloging...tear down the top end...etc...we can try to syncronize the process...send all the parts out to machine at the same time...assemble...etc...

fees would include PP's guidence, storage space...and maybe we can swing some group deals on machining...parts...etc...

now that would be cool...

MJ

hahaha I can just imagine the thoughts going through wayne's head when reading this...a bunch a frat boy porsche nuts running around mucking up his hard earned built business waving around torque wrenching downing beers...hahaha..."so wayne which way do I turn to tighten this bolt" "Wayne superman hit me" "wayne I think I dropped a washer in the combustion chamber"...fastest ticket to insanity....

[Axeman]

so is this a hands-on event or...??

[Wayne 962]

Well close (thougts in my head), but not quite. Heck, we can't even find the time to do a beach barbeque, let alone a seminar like that. I wouldn't count on it any time soon. Read the "new book" if you want my advice. Easier for me and you!

Hands-on with Bruce Anderson? You guys are funny. It's a four-day class, you want to bring your own engine and work on it there? Like eigth-grade shop class? That would take a lot longer than four days...

I didn't really expect this to turn into a big debate (silly me for thinking it wouldn't). Just a simple thread that says I'm taking the class, I'll be there, and it should be fun, enjoyable, and educating.

-Wayne

[Jim Sims]

Hands-on with Bruce Anderson? You guys are funny. It's a four-day class, you want to bring your own engine and work on it there? Like eigth-grade shop class? That would take a lot longer than four days..[/B]

Well that explains the oxymoron phrase "hands-on look" in the course description. Appears to to be a presentation on 911 engine rebuilding not a course. A very good presentation no doubt (and one I would like to attend) but not to be confused with a course that would fully prepare one to overhaul a 911 engine.

There was not much engine overhauling going on in any 8th grade shop class I know about. The closest I recall is a Mexican National student in my 7th grade ghetto school shop class in Riverside who was put to work sectioning a six cylinder engine with a hacksaw because he couldn't speak a word of English.

Cheers, Jim

[anthony]

I've heard about these classes and I'm actually surprised by how inexpensive they are. Technical classes I've taken usual run my company about $2K per week.

If this was a hands on class they'd probably have to charge $3k per student. They would have to provide a motor, a workspace, and a set of tools for every couple of students. Logistics would be a nightmare because each motor would probably be different.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by anthony
If this was a hands on class they'd probably have to charge $3k per student.

Hah! That would barely cover liability insurance. The only way to do this sort of thing is informal (didn't Super have an engine drop awhile back?).

[tmctguer]

i saw BA do a slide show at the German AutoFest last year. with all due respect, i found it boring and walked out early. i believe the topic was performance modifications to the 911 engine, and i recall seeing tons of slides about the difference between connecting rods from year-to-year -- mainly right out of his book on performance.

i agree it would be virtually impossible to do a hands on class for $600, but if this turns out anything like the slide show i saw, it would be a tough 4 days !

i think i would save my money up for a REAL hands on class.......doesn't jerry woods offer one for a couple of grand??

[Drago]

Originally posted by nostatic

didn't Super have an engine drop awhile back?).

It was great! I totally agree with you, informal is the way to go.

10+ guys, many of whom had never met each other, standing around watching The Artist Formerly known as Brainiac (Tyson), Tacoma911 and Superman actually doing all the real work....while the rest of the assembled mass told lies and drank beer.....in the rain......in the winter......in the PNW. I take that back...Jasper had the coveralls on but as far as I could tell they were there only to keep the spilt beer off his good clothes... :-)

All that fun to be had again shortly....just north of the border this time....can you guess who?

[Doug Zielke]

Beer? Yes!
Lies? Yes!
Standing around in the rain? Hopefully not! (The garage should hold at least a dozen "helpers".)

The Blue Bomber is so excited, she pissed out all her oil the other night!!