This is on the short list ;)

I always thought the early impact bumper fog lights seemed like an afterthought, and preferred the look of impact bumper cars with the lights deleted. After buying mine, I started hunting for a fog light delete front valance.

I found one in the classifieds here with no spoiler and planned to drill the holes in it for a spoiler. Shortly afterward, I found an early whaletail for the right price, but the owner didn't want to ship. He lived in NJ, so I decided to take a road trip and pick it up. While there, he asked if I wanted the bumpers from the same car for free. We dug them out of his crawl space and to my surprise it included a fog light delete front valance with a spoiler. As an added bonus, it was in much better shape than the other one I bought too.

As for the wiring, I cut the wires as they entered the car and taped the ends. If I ever add Cibie's or something crazy, I'd like to use the factory switch.

I didn't want to weld the holes shut, in case I change my mind in the future, so I found rubber grommets that fit the hole and used a little water proof silicone to seal them.

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Great story Will, and a great find! Where did you get your Euro bumper trim/running light delete parts?

I got them from our host.

A little spendy, but I think they are so much better looking than the US marker lights. Plus mine was originally ROW, so I found them to be a fitting mod.

Holy cow, looking at the prices, they were much cheaper when I bought them 5 years ago.

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Holy cow is right. That would be a $200 mod.. :-/

Does look great on your car though! I'd like to do this mod along with the clear turn signal lenses with amber LEDs.

No fogs, that crap looks like **** and is useless anyway.
If you have a Carrera the holes could be used for cooling brakes or oil cooler.

I am aware that the fogs only illuminate the road immediately in front of the car, but the headlights need all the help they can get. The fog-lights only provide slightly more light, but they help me see road imperfections & the edge of the road...a little bit better.

I think this depends on your height. ;) They didn't do a damn thing for my 5'7" self except cause me to buy bulbs every other year, and add 4.35 lbs to the far end of my car.

I was tempted to buy driving lights, but thought that I'd rather save my money for something else, especially now that my H4 Euros are proving excellent at night.

I'm still not sure why you say the H4 Euros "need help". Mine are daylight bright.

Are you running Euro H4s or Carrera H5s? Also, are you running the relay we mentioned?

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Nothing against fogs, but i left it with no fogs for cooling.

No fogs on your car is a cleaner look , in my opinion....nice car either way.

No fogs
 

This is what I did with mine. I Deleted the fog lights, cut some holes in the valance for a little more air flow to the brakes and oil cooler then mounted some 100w driving lights (modified 914 fog lamps) that are switched with the high beams, mounted the relays in the front trunk and deleted the fog lamp switch in the dash.


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My 2 cents: Fogs draw the eye down from above the bumper, making the car appear closer to the ground and more balanced against the headlights. On the other hand, without them the car looks cleaner and higher. If you live in an area without much fog you just might want to ditch them, unless you understand what I am saying about visual balance.

I have fogs but have them tilted slightly up and use them as daytime running lights DRLs) since I live in the country on 2 lane roads where you want to be seen by oncoming people who want to overtake slower cars, or people pulling out of shaded drives, etc. Most people hate DRLs but numerous studies unequivocally show they reduce collisions. I would rather be safe than cool. In the city, using DRLs are not so much an issue.

Fogs + two pairs of high beams. http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps41fb424a.jpg

Only if you're going all of 5 MPH!

I went with a Clubsport valance (fog delete/no holes like the SC) from Rennspeed that was a total piece of crap. Was not the correct size and the mounting tabs were wrong. Loved the look once I cut and re-positioned the mounting tabs to allow it to sort of fit. Made a splitter for it that was totally badd ass.

Only took on PCA club president to compliment my "SC" for me to want to rip it off for good.

Went back to my stock valance minus the fogs. Made a block off plate for the driver's side fog light recess and painted the entire thing with black stone guard. NOW it is perfect.


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I'm not sure what you laws says, but over here its illegal to drive with fog lights in combination with any other light.
So the use for fog lights is in very heavy fog or heavy snowfall. Conditions when you have 150-200 feet of limited sight.

You know, there is something missing here... :)

No foglights on the front:

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Or on the back:

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Front ones just look like a boy racer add-on to me, and rear ones, a definite Porsche afterthought, are not required on a pre-1980 car in the UK.

Did you do anything to finish the edges on the cutouts in the valance? I've been thinking of doing the same to feed my cooler.

Todd

Sorry to get off the subject, but can someone tell me what color this is?
This is a very beautiful car.

Thanks.

Ok.... resume the fog light delete talk....

My dad has a champagne silver 944T that looks like the same color. It's a beautiful color, especially in the sun.

Platinum metallic.

I upgraded my indicator bulbs to LED's last year. I highly recommend it. Reduces current draw through the old wiring and they are super bright. I'm all for any mod that makes our tiny cars a little more visible to the monster SUV driving crowd.

Here in Canada my wife's brand-new Subaru has fog lights that automatically work in unison with the low beam headlights, so laws do differ.

The fog lights illuminate the sides of the road, not so much down the middle. This helps in fog, when you should be going slowly anyway.

I totally agree, Will. The entire rear of my SC is running bright LEDs, and I've wired in an mechanical brake light switch to help light those brakes up quicker than the stock hydraulic actuator.

I was testing my fronts in a store front window the other day, and realized that my fronts are woefully dim compared to my rear LEDS, so I ordered a set of 1157 LEDs from SuperBrightLEDs this past week. :)

Craig, are the LEDs you've ordered simple bulb replacements and use the existing housings.

I took a gander at the SuperBrightLED site and it looks that way, no?

Coolio. I have the 1157's up front. They are super bright, as the name implies.

I read your mechanical switch thread, I'm definitely copying that mod.

Yep, they're simple replacements like the ones I have in the back:


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Years ago in my 75 911 I mounted Cibie driving lights like these:
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Had them wired up to the hi-beams what a HUGE improvement!
You could replace the Fogs with hi-beam driving lights.

Please note.

I used these for all indicator lights on my car, but I found the rear bulbs were finicky. Sometimes they would be super bright, other times, they were dim/fluttery. Every time they were dim/fluttery, I'd pull off the lens, push on the bulb, and they would be bright again.

After playing with it for a while, I ended up melting solder on the bulb contact. I put so much on it that the bulb wouldn't install, and then I filed the solder way until it fit really tight.

Now my bulbs are super bright every time. Not a fault with the bulbs, but more loose fitting circuit boards on the inside of the rear light assemblies.

Good to know.

Last question. Does bulb replacement require install of resistor boxes or is it simply plug and play?

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Simply plug and play.

As far as dimming connections, I've found that I've always needed to put some electrical tape on the stalks of all of the rear bulbs to keep them solidly in place. Maybe this could help.

Brake lights are plug and play, but if you want to change out your turn signals, you'll also need to change out your flasher relay. Otherwise the LED's blink on and off so fast, when you turn on your turn signal, it will just look lit up.

Here is a thread on the relay swap.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/287390-i-solved-led-indicator-problem.html

MINT, Thanks

Will a 84-89 Carrera valance fit on an SC without any mods? I like the way there fogs look so much better (recessed) than the dangle bobbers on my SC.


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Even an 87's fogs are useless. I had my valance welded shut and repainted. Body guy said it was easy. Never used them in my 6 years of ownership.

Plug and play for sure. I bought the same ones you show and they worked great except they disable the cruise control due to the current change. I bought their resisters which need to be wired inline with the hot and ground to imitate full current, but reading about how much heat they generate and they cannot be put against a painted surface or plastic - generating the same amount of heat like the bulb they are replacing. Since I can't suspend them in air I just gave up the whole thing and put in my regular bulbs. Maybe some day I will fab some heat shields for the resisters and try again and see if the cruise works - a lot of work for an experiment, but they do put out an impressive amount of light and fast. My mechanic saw them in running light mode and asked if my brake lights were on since they are brighter than the norm. Then I stepped on the brake pedal and he said "Wow" those are bright.

You have to also change the windshield washer fluid tank to the later style.

JR

Oh ok. But other than that it bolts right up to an SC?


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Fogs, or No Fogs?
 

Couldn't agree more. The fogs add "weight" visually to the lower front area of the car and gives the illusion that the car is sitting lower. I like the clean look of no fogs, but like you said the car appears higher off the ground and almost like its missing something to me. That's why I really like the post 83' carerra valance...fogs are there but more more low profile and they look intentional....unlike the ones on the SC. Someone already said autozone bolt ons...your right.


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Yes. The only other difference on valances is that on the right side, there were two different locations used for attachment, maybe a couple inches apart. Not hard to deal with.

For the same effort, you could replace it with a fogless valance. Readily available, the new ones come with two tabs on the right side so they will bolt up to any car from 1974 through 1989.

None of the fog lights do anything worthwhile, hardly anybody drives in fog anyway, and the lenses get blasted with grit and look terrible in not that many miles. Can't see why anybody wants something that is as useless as those.

JR