EXACTLY!

Someone wants me to preserve my car for a garage queen owner who has a few shares in the Q-Tip company?

No thanks.

Do you have any idea what an Emory outlaw or a Polo engine run? Guys are spending 6 figures making Bs into outlaws.

There's a seat for every arse. I think some people will worry about the value of their SC and resist modifying it. Others will continue to go balls to the wall with their builds.

I think part of it is demographic. A guy who bought an SC because it was his high school poster and drives a Camry or Cherokee to work every day won't want to ruin his "investment". A guy who drives a brand new Panamera or Cayenne S to work every day and has a couple toy cars will write a check to TRE or TLG or Aase and say build me an RS replica because I can "only" afford a low 6 figure car and not an actual 7 figure RS. That latter guy might also have a dead perfect concours SC at the same time.

FYI, there is an actual forum here for the investors, speculators, flippers and other Philistines: Porsche Marketplace Discussion - Pelican Parts Technical BBS

Perhaps this thread belongs there?



Edit - Yes my T/L is modified and is driven, auto-crossed and even, the horror, tracked. Live with it.

We've probably kicked all the farts out of this dead horse anyway...

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Well said.

Living in SoCal I imagine the value of a house vs car is quite a bit different than most other places in the country where a house only costs a third what is does in SoCal, but car prices are about the same.

Supply and demand. If people keep building longhood conversions then supply will increase, values will go down. When the fad subsides supply will increase, values will go down. One of the trends that I have seen with many collectables is that when replicas are made, prices for the originals go down as well.

You are exactly right about that. That is why you almost cant give away a pre war car now. Soon all those six figure Mustangs will be going for bargain basement prices.

I think we've all had this debate with ourselves. My 911 is in excellent shape, the interior is in fantastic condition for a car with 145k, the body is beautiful, original paint blah blah.... but the joy I get from driving it far outweighs the joy I get from looking at it (which I still enjoy) or thinking about its value. So I drive it hard, not worrying about mileage. I take care of it, I track it, I update components, change out stock pieces and sell them, and I never look back as I grin ear to ear, engine screaming all the way to redline.

Today, I would probably put it back to stock. A few years ago probably would have built an IROC or 935 replica.

Fwiw...bought a '67 VW bus for $1,500. Made it nice (cheaply) and drove the sh*# out of it for about 15 years. Sold it for $34K year and a half ago...no regrets! Those funds were used to take a '78 SC, in less than fair shape, and morph it into a ridiculously fast, great looking hot rodded RS envy. Sold that this week for close to twice that...no regrets! Now I will buy a pre-74 911, like I wanted all along, and will hot rod that too, mildly, nothing non-reversable, but set up the way I LIKE IT...and I will, for SURE, have no regrets!
I don't play poker when I'm in Vegas...I play Pai Gow. I get hours of entertainment without loosing or winning, oh and free drinks the whole time! If you can find a way to enjoy the journey and in the end break even its all good! If you come out ahead so much the better. :p

While I bought my cars to drive, both are absolutely perfect and one (an '89) is bone stock. The second (a '74), looks stock but has a hot rod 3.0 and some other almost invisible upgrades like stiffer torsion bars, 7 inch wheels and sport seats that were an available option that year). I kept the original parts except the engine. I personally prefer the stock look and most changes are easily reversible. Even though I bought the cars to drive and never thought of them as an investment (much like my home), I would hesitate to spend a lot of money making them less valuable. Some day, either I...or one of my heirs will sell them. If I want a different car, I will buy it or build it from an already modified or less well preserved example. Also, it almost seems sacrilege to cut up a perfectly preserved 40 year old car.

The Singer cars are different because they are built for folks with stupid money who could easily build a bonfire with $200K and really not impact their life. That is not me.

Yea but mere mortals who can't afford Singers still try to emulate Singers. And Singer is just one example -- just look at the hotrod and outlaw builds on here. It is more than a few.

Damn there was another fart left after all...

I personally dont get excited about Singers, but I'm helping build a replica right now.

I have a 73t that the PO updated to look like a mid year and now need to decide whether or not to spend the money to change it back to a long hood some day.

Worth every cent of taking it back.

If you have something very special made in limited quantities you may not want to alter it. Like a RS, M491, RS America, early turbos, ... then it may be a costly decision but for cars that have 1000s in production numbers it most like won't matter much what you do. Make it to fit your taste and enjoy!

not a fan of backdating regardless of the impact on value. You either buy the real thing or stick to what you have. Its like putting a 600 badge on a v6 merc.

Singers could only hold some value if Singer themselves manage resale which looks like its doing so far. I know theyre booked for a number of years to come. Love everything about them except the backdate part and oo yea the price tag too.

Mine is lightweight and far from pristine, but mechanically it is a beast. If you have to ask the investment question, you probably already know what your answer will be.