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Mattlock18 06-01-2015 07:32 AM

Battery drain - fog lights to blame?
 
Im trying to track down a drain on my battery that leaves me with a dead battery if the car sits for a couple days. I just replaced the bulbs for the fog lights on my 83 SC a couple days before this started happening, and that is the only thing I can think of that might be a source of the problem. Anyone know of any issues associated with fog lights on an SC that are known to cause any similar issues?

pors1968 06-01-2015 07:51 AM

Take off the fuse but i dont think that your problem.Check your battery.

jdbunda 06-01-2015 08:47 AM

Right - get the battery load tested first. If that's not it, then:

Make sure your interior light is not on - a three-way rocker switch with off/on/on-when-door-is-open. It's easy to knock the switch into always-on, and it's easy to not notice.

if it's not that, disconnect the battery ground cable and connect an ammeter, then pull fuses one by one until you see the drain go away.

The other common culprit is a malfunctioning aftermarket alarm or stereo.

Joe Bob 06-01-2015 09:14 AM

Light under the dash was the culprit once for me....

RSTarga 06-01-2015 10:19 AM

trunk light switch sometimes does not go off

Mattlock18 06-01-2015 10:39 AM

Thanks. I'll take a look at each of these. It just seemed too coincidental that I never had any electrical issues until 2 days after replacing the fog light bulbs.

Bob Kontak 06-01-2015 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 8646917)
Light under the dash was the culprit once for me....

Those probably pull between 0.5 and 1 amp.

If you don't have a MM, you can cheat by pulling off the negative battery cable. When you touch it back onto the terminal you will hear a micro sizzle as the two try to weld themselves together. Pull the fuses one by one and wait for the noise to stop.

This assumes that the battery is fine and gasoline is not pooled up in the battery tray.

ganun 06-01-2015 11:43 AM

on mine it was the FENSTERHABER relay sticking, I foung the issue using the same Bob K trick,m but I actually heard the faint relay click.

darrin 06-01-2015 12:04 PM

the Fensterhaber/window relay can remain activated/armed (and draining current) if the door switches that trigger the interior light fail -- does the OP's interior light come on when either/both doors are opened?

ganun 06-01-2015 03:54 PM


Darrin,
So if the jamb switch does not turn on the lights, then the FH relay stays activated , draining juice, waiting for the light to turn on signifying the door has opened and cutting power to the windows ....right?

ganun 06-01-2015 03:57 PM

That system is so sketchy, its failure mode is almost invisible to the operator....then you drain the battery.

Bob Kontak 06-01-2015 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darrin (Post 8647194)
the Fensterhaber/window relay can remain activated/armed (and draining current) if the door switches that trigger the interior light fail -- does the OP's interior light come on when either/both doors are opened?

Expand on this a bit, please.

darrin 06-01-2015 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganun (Post 8647566)
Darrin,
So if the jamb switch does not turn on the lights, then the FH relay stays activated , draining juice, waiting for the light to turn on signifying the door has opened and cutting power to the windows ....right?

bingo!

I believe the relay is triggered by either door opening. So, if the passenger door jamb switch still works, opening the passenger door should trigger the relay and cut power to the windows/eliminate the parasitic drain

jdbunda 06-02-2015 09:58 PM

This thread was timely for me - I *thought* I had identified the battery drain issue in my just-acquired '72 just a few days ago - the aftermarket stereo is not wired to a switched circuit, it's always hot. And, every time the battery is disconnected, it turns on when power is restored. So - I had assumed that I was just leaving the thing on by accident, and made it a point to verify it was off when I shut the car off. I should just take it out - the M&K is so loud, it seems silly to even have a radio in the car. But - this very morning - I go out to start the car and the battery is drawn down again, and I look and the stereo is definitely off.

Tonight I started over - I tried the ammeter as I thought I so cleverly suggested above, but found out that my digital multimeter is broken as an ammeter (it is 20 years old and kind of flaky - makes me wish I had kept my old analog meter) . Anyway, that didn't work, and the individual fuses didn't seem to spark as I pulled them. So I checked my frunk and interior lights which seemed to be operating correctly. On a whim, I shut off the lights in the garage to make it completely dark - and voila - there it was - the engine compartment light was glowing through the grille. The cover was rotated mostly shut, but not quite, so it has been on constantly. Doh!

javadog 06-03-2015 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattlock18 (Post 8647055)
It just seemed too coincidental that I never had any electrical issues until 2 days after replacing the fog light bulbs.

Thonk about it for a minute. For the fog light bulbs to be draining the battery, they would have to be glowing. That's what they do when electical current runs through them. Are the fog lights on? I think not.

Onward, to more likely culprits...

JR

Neilnaz 06-03-2015 12:48 PM

jdbunda, your engine compartment light should be connected to the sidelight circuit so it can only come on with the sidelights/headlights and not have a continuously live 12v supply.

Cheers, Neil

Bob Kontak 06-03-2015 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darrin (Post 8647841)
bingo!

I believe the relay is triggered by either door opening. So, if the passenger door jamb switch still works, opening the passenger door should trigger the relay and cut power to the windows/eliminate the parasitic drain

OP's car is an 83. The fenster-miester relay started in 1984.

bfunke 06-03-2015 02:00 PM

Not sure what a Fensterhaber is but most cars have a Fensterheber. :)

darrin 06-03-2015 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bfunke (Post 8650636)
Not sure what a Fensterhaber is but most cars have a Fensterheber. :)

german for "window regulator," right?

Bob -- so prior to 1984, electric windows would stop operating once the ignition is turned off?

Bob Kontak 06-03-2015 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darrin (Post 8650678)
german for "window regulator," right?

Bob -- so prior to 1984, electric windows would stop operating once the ignition is turned off?

Well on mine at least. I hope something is wrong that I can fix but I don't think so. I may well have a relay that is up in deep near the frunk "firewall" by the flasher relay but from what I have experienced I do not have the window courtesy function post shut down. Windows be dead when key is off.

The juice draw makes perfect sense. Relay is energized just waiting for you to close the window but it does not know you opened the door.

I found ganun's thread on his relay and loaded the 944 prefix number into PP's search engine. That relay is for 84 an onward.


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