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NathanR 07-20-2015 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8717740)

I did capture some P&T data

OAT = 85F at beginning of test
Static charge = 80 psi

Before the big blowout,

Hi = 250 psi
Lo = 65
Vent T = 55F
Charge weight = 17.2 oz

Note: I didn't have the deck lid closed or a box fan blowing on the car. Next time

Does anyone see anything troubling about these numbers? Will the low side drop once fully charged?

Ronnie's.930 07-20-2015 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8718908)
Ronnie,

No groove for o ring. Copper washer sounds like a good idea. Hardware store item?

Thanks a ton. I was out of ideas.

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan, interesting that there is no groove, as like I mentioned, no groove means an o-ring will not work.

The best place to check for a right sized copper washer would be at an auto parts or motorcycle store. I'm refering to washers that are used to seal brake caliper banjo fittings and so forth - a lot more pressure than the a/c system produces. But that said, a hardware store with a good fastener selection might have them, too.

And regarding the above numbers, put them out of your mind as they are meaningless since you did not have air blowing over the rear condenser.

NathanR 07-20-2015 04:16 PM

Also, is there a consensus on the doors open vs closed? Seems like if your vent temp measurement are to be comparable from one moment to another you need to keep cabin temp constant, otherwise you're introducing a lot more variables than just cooling rate in the Evap coil and you would need to subtract out the ever changing cabin temp.

Ronnie's.930 07-20-2015 04:17 PM

^^^

Doors closed and windows up for me, as I am trying to establish "real world" conditions when I charge the system.

Griff recommends this technique as well.

NathanR 07-20-2015 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930 (Post 8718927)
Nathan, interesting that there is no groove, as like I mentioned, no groove means an o-ring will not work.

The best place to check for a right sized copper washer would be at an auto parts or motorcycle store. I'm refering to washers that are used to seal brake caliper banjo fittings and so forth - a lot more pressure than the a/c system produces. But that said, a hardware store with a good fastener selection might have them, too.

And regarding the above numbers, put them out of your mind as they are meaningless since you did not have air blowing over the rear condenser.

I can't say thanks enough...this whole project would hAve been inconceivable with your's and everyone who has posted useful info on this over the years.

NathanR 07-20-2015 04:23 PM

Fwiw, I was encouraged by the ~30 F delta T across the coil... I think that's close to "as good as it gets" right?

Ronnie's.930 07-20-2015 04:24 PM

No problem - am glad to help (along with the barb slinging, buttofcourse)! :)

30F evaporator coil temps = excellent, in high ambient heat environment!

Wavey 07-20-2015 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8718908)
Ronnie,

No groove for o ring. Copper washer sounds like a good idea. Hardware store item?

Thanks a ton. I was out of ideas.

Cheers,
Nathan

Your local NAPA, AutoZone etc. (or even WalMart?) will have copper &/or aluminum oil drain washer assortments - something from one of those might fit.

NathanR 07-20-2015 05:59 PM

I just ran to OReilly and everything they had was too big. Will check Napa tomorrow. Wonder if alumininum will work? Found that at HD.

Ronnie's.930 07-20-2015 06:55 PM

^^^ Aluminum would be fine - I've seen probably has many brake banjo seal washers made of aluminum as I have made of copper.

You'll have to use your own judgement about the "tightness", obviously, but don't be shy with it (BUTT not so tight that you pull the threads out, of course). :D

NathanR 07-23-2015 01:48 PM

Today I took apart the errant service port adapter and discovered there was a groove for an o ring on the adapter side, though very slim. I refitted the pressure switch and managed to screw the thing together without the ring squishing out.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1437688077.jpg
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NathanR 07-23-2015 02:00 PM

Then I vacuumed out the system for another 3.5 hours. Then started charging. This time I closed the deck lid with a towel to protect gauge hoses and had box fan pointed at the car.

Starting OAT = 81F
78 psi static charge.
Hi P= 252
Lo P = 26

I added 42.2 oz R134a

Vent T w. Window and sun roof open = 46F

Temps were still falling and the cabin felt pretty chilly so decided to go for a drive. Carved some turns on my favorite neighborhood twisty.

Vent T w cabin closed and tooling around town =

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1437688551.jpg

While happy with the results, I'm wondering if I added too much freon?

NathanR 07-23-2015 02:02 PM

And by the way, the Kuehl Evap blower fan really works well. Each of the fan speeds produced noticeable airflow, with stock resistor pack fan control setup. The max setting was very robust.

DaveMcKenz 07-23-2015 02:08 PM

Very nice. What RPM are your pressure readings taken at?
Dave

NathanR 07-23-2015 04:59 PM

Idle.

Wavey 07-23-2015 05:03 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat6.gif

Had a couple of Moose Drools after work with fellow Carrera owner Jamie and thought of you.

So, are you more or less finished?

NathanR 07-23-2015 05:56 PM

May need to let some out.

Also, I seem to have developed a fuel leak on the right side of the engine!

kuehl 07-24-2015 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8723377)

Starting OAT = 81F
78 psi static charge.
Hi P= 252
Lo P = 26

I added 42.2 oz R134a
I'm wondering if I added too much freon?

Overcharged, maybe.

In a perfect world, at idle:
R12 at 81F running, high side target would be 194.4 psi.
For R134a it would be close to that of R12, say 204 psi

DaveMcKenz 07-24-2015 06:26 AM

If overcharged, why is the low side pressure only 26 PSI?
Thanks,
Dave

kuehl 07-24-2015 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveMcKenz (Post 8724124)
If overcharged, why is the low side pressure only 26 PSI?
Thanks,
Dave

Just because a system is 'overcharged' does not mean the low side will rise proportionally.


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