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NathanR 07-12-2015 03:40 PM

By the end of the day, I had all the miscellaneous bits and pieces in place and was able to return the car to the garage floor on her own wheels. Now I just need a high side service port adapter and I'm ready to charge.

Does anyone remember how much 134a Karl (discseven) put In his system?

NathanR 07-13-2015 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8695493)
Also, today I confirmed one needs a 7/16th inch hi side service port adapter.

This one didn't fit

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1435979131.jpg

I did order the right one, I just didn't get the right one.

I'm surprised none of you caught me in this mistake. Today I called Nostalgic AC and they explained the port in the picture measuring 3/8ths is the binary switch port, not the service port. Doh! I just wish they had replied to my email a week ago...

Plus this resolves the fitment issue since the actual correct port rotates...

ganun 07-13-2015 06:43 PM

Karl put 26 oz exactly.

NathanR 07-13-2015 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cvhchj (Post 8709290)
Do people typically remove the washer tank to route hoses to the front condenser? http://healthlifeok.com/green/images/82.gifhttp://healthlifeok.com/green/images/63.gif

I did, but if you go back to the first few pages of this thread Charlie gives a tip on how not to. Having it out helped me visualize that space better, but putting it back in was a serious PITA. And I've done it before. somehow I managed to break both hoses that go to the vapor recovery pod just above the tank. Another trip to Napa and I was ok.

NathanR 07-13-2015 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ganun (Post 8709270)
Karl put 26 oz exactly.

Wow, not much at all. Thanks George!

ganun 07-13-2015 07:21 PM

BTW, When the two hoses are routed over the bumper shock where there is a sort of channel in the body (might have come like this from the factory) road debris gets packed in there and promotes rust. Keep the channel clear so it can drain.

NathanR 07-13-2015 07:41 PM

I had a ton of dirt packed up In that area, it's out now.

Ronnie's.930 07-13-2015 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8669253)
Question for Ronnie: did you get you smuggler box insulation from a muffler shop? What is it, exactly? (I have insulation envy and must know details).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wavey (Post 8706833)
Have you decided what to use to insulate the smuggler's box?

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8707639)
I still want do this, but today I got on a roll putting things in order, and I reinstalled the stereo amp that blocks access to the smugglers box. Doh!

Nathan, it beckons, bro! :D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1436845434.jpg


PS - good deal about the fitting (even though you had it all along), and really sweet progress overall!

PSS - I learned from Griff after doing it (when he saw this picture last year), that mummifying the expansion valve is not necessary, even though they often came that way from Porsche (like my original one did).

Pazuzu 07-14-2015 06:01 AM

Nathan, can you give me an idea of how much hose you used? Would 25 foot rolls of #6 and #8 be enough, with a single length of #10 as needed? I know every setup is different, but it'll give me an idea if 25 is far too much or far too little.

Wavey 07-16-2015 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8709308)
Wow, not much at all. Thanks George!

That bottle of oil I sent you? Whatever is not in it is how much I put in my system. I didn't have the extra condenser, but the desert-duty front condenser and extra hose lengths for the procooler required a bit more.

Wavey 07-17-2015 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8709353)
I had a ton of dirt packed up In that area, it's out now.

Thank God for galvanizing.

NathanR 07-19-2015 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 8709704)
Nathan, can you give me an idea of how much hose you used? Would 25 foot rolls of #6 and #8 be enough, with a single length of #10 as needed? I know every setup is different, but it'll give me an idea if 25 is far too much or far too little.

Mike,

I'm going to go back and check all my orders and get back to you... More to follow. I do have notes.

If you have existing hoses, I highly recommend removing all of them and figure out everything you need and order it once. I spent a lot of time waiting for additional orders to come in, which was frustrating.

Cheers,
Nathan

NathanR 07-19-2015 06:38 PM

Charging starting in 20 minutes!!!! By then the vac pump will have run 4 hours.

NathanR 07-19-2015 08:13 PM

First attempt at charging was, unfortunately, unsuccessful.

Things were progressing ok, I think, then the o-ring on the binary pressure switch blew out.

I did capture some P&T data

OAT = 85F at beginning of test
Static charge = 80 psi

Before the big blowout,

Hi = 250 psi
Lo = 65
Vent T = 55F
Charge weight = 17.2 oz

Note: I didn't have the deck lid closed or a box fan blowing on the car. Next time...

Will post pic of o-ring, not sure what to do about it.

NathanR 07-19-2015 08:20 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1437365920.jpg



Argh. When I installed this switch, if I over tightened it, the o-ring would squish out the side. I'm not sure what else to do with it.

Ronnie's.930 07-19-2015 08:42 PM

Nathan, does the boss (the hole) that the switch screws into have a groove in it to accept an O-ring? If not, what you see there is exactly what happens. I ran into that problem (no groove) with my home built setup, so used a tiny copper washer instead - worked perfectly.

If it does have a goove for the o-ring, and it is squishing out like that, then the o-ring must not be the correct size (either too large of a diameter, or to "thick").

NathanR 07-19-2015 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 8709704)
Nathan, can you give me an idea of how much hose you used? Would 25 foot rolls of #6 and #8 be enough, with a single length of #10 as needed? I know every setup is different, but it'll give me an idea if 25 is far too much or far too little.

Mike,

I originally planned to delete the decklid condenser but changed my mind once I started. so I have some extra #8 hose but here are my original estimates

Comp to R.Cond = 7' of #8 (I'm guessing I used roughly 5')
R. Cond to F. Cond 11' of #6
F. cond to R/D 5' of #6
R/D to Evap 3'4" of #6
Evap to Comp 13' of #10

Pazuzu 07-20-2015 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanR (Post 8717763)
Mike,

I originally planned to delete the decklid condenser but changed my mind once I started. so I have some extra #8 hose but here are my original estimates

Comp to R.Cond = 7' of #8 (I'm guessing I used roughly 5')
R. Cond to F. Cond 11' of #6
F. cond to R/D 5' of #6
R/D to Evap 3'4" of #6
Evap to Comp 13' of #10

Excellent, I did some rough measuring for mine (which is different with the underbelly condenser) but things like the 13 ft of #10 is most helpful. Everything you have from the front condenser on is the same on mine, so that gives me some clear measurements for 60% of the system.

Where did you buy your fittings from? I have 12 fittings to buy, and have sourced them for anywhere from $35 to $85 (same fittings, often the same part number!). huge markups with some companies, which I'd be fine with if they had spectacular service as well.

A/C Compressor and A C Compressor from AC Parts was by FAR the cheapest, but they might be crap service...

NathanR 07-20-2015 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930 (Post 8717760)
Nathan, does the boss (the hole) that the switch screws into have a groove in it to accept an O-ring? If not, what you see there is exactly what happens. I ran into that problem (no groove) with my home built setup, so used a tiny copper washer instead - worked perfectly.

If it does have a goove for the o-ring, and it is squishing out like that, then the o-ring must not be the correct size (either too large of a diameter, or to "thick").

Ronnie,

No groove for o ring. Copper washer sounds like a good idea. Hardware store item?

Thanks a ton. I was out of ideas.

Cheers,
Nathan

NathanR 07-20-2015 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 8718052)
Excellent, I did some rough measuring for mine (which is different with the underbelly condenser) but things like the 13 ft of #10 is most helpful. Everything you have from the front condenser on is the same on mine, so that gives me some clear measurements for 60% of the system.

Where did you buy your fittings from? I have 12 fittings to buy, and have sourced them for anywhere from $35 to $85 (same fittings, often the same part number!). huge markups with some companies, which I'd be fine with if they had spectacular service as well.

A/C Compressor and A C Compressor from AC Parts was by FAR the cheapest, but they might be crap service...

I bought half of my stuff from acsource.com and half from nostalgic ac. Both gave good service, but not perfect. Prices were similar. I also found a surprising amount of stuff from my local NAPA, which saved one weekend... No clear difference in quality, sometimes one had what wanted and the other didn't.


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