2.2 S rebuild wish list

[rrcrawford70s]

I am set to have the motor rebuilt in my 1970 S. It is the matching number per Cert. of Authenticity. I am keeping the MFI. I want to keep it stock 2.2, with the ususal upgrades. The ONE issue I want resolved is NO OIL LEAKS.
For my Christmas wish list, I am asking for help on the usual upgrades. Also what additional work to AVOID the leaks?
I have the budget to do it right, the first time. I don't want to go back and feel I missed something when it was apart.
For the stock rebuild, what would you ask for?
Thanks for the input!

[Wayne 962]

Just about 100% of your answers are listed here:

http://www.101projects.com/rebuild.htm

Just ask someone who already has a preview copy, and they'll tell you...

-Wayne

[Bobboloo]

Best way to avoid leaks aside from the proper materials is quality workmanship. Are you rebuilding yourself and subcontracting the machine work or are you planning to have someone do the rebuild for you?

Wish list for a stock 2.2S rebuild:

Hydraulic tensioners
SSI exhaust
Stock muffler
Fresh Mahle P + C's
Aase springs
Titanium retainers
Arp rod bolts
Case re-work and machining by Competition Engineering

Bobby

[ccandgc]

my 71S has a few oil leaks, and its also the orig engine. Now that I have my 2,2 sticker in the window, I have to keep it stock with MFI.

Glad you brought this up! As I need to do the same!

[rrcrawford70s]

Chad,
I will let you know, as I go along. I was at Andial this morning. They will be doing the rebuild. The eng/trans. may be pulled today.
While on the rack, this is what they noticed: major leak from main bearing seal, also leaks from heads.
Only way to repair, split the case and see what they find.
While it is apart, anything else that is needed/updated will be addressed.
I really do plan on keeping the car. I am looking for trouble free
driving when I am finished. My main concern is after spending thousands, NO OIL LEAKS. I hope this can be done.
Also the MFI will be looked at. Anything that needs to be done, will be.
Additionally, I will be having the transmission looked at. I may need to replace first gear. We talked of changing the trans from 901 to 915. What do you think? The car is not completely original.
Color change from green to black, flag mirrors to see with, etc.
Keeping the original trans, vs. swapping may come down to "out the door price". I LIKE the novelty of the 901.
Ray

[82SC]

hahaha if you are having andial rebuild your motor...I doubt any of us here can offer advice to them to make the rebuild go better.

They are one of the most respected builders in the nation so I don't expect you to have any lack of expertise there...

I am frightened to know what the bill will look like.

also they are the experts at squeezing power out of an engine, so you might talk some mods with them (if that is your thing...)

good luck and keep us updated...

I'd love to see pics of the engine in different stages of a rebuild by andial

MJ

[Wayne 962]

"major leak from main bearing seal" umm, surely you mean the number eight bearing.

Andial has a good reputation for rebuilding engines, but I have heard that the advice and comments that they give out on the phone are sometimes wacky...

-Wayne

[rrcrawford70s]

Wayne,
It is the number eight bearing. I don't know about phone advice, but on the rack, you see the leak. I have known about the leak for the last 10,000 miles, along with the others.
Other shops have told me the same thing, you have to split the case, then you know the cause. I picked Andial over the others, hoping they will get it right, the first time. Their reputation is known. I have heard about their rep. as being $$$$$$$, I will let you know.
I do know the shop rate is $74.00 an hour. Not too much more than the others I have bounced around from.
Anyone know the shop rates of others? That would be a good survey?

[jimbo]

Andial's shop rate is competitive (in fact at $74/hr cheaper than some), plus their work is the standard others should pursue.

[ccandgc]

Ray,

re: 901 to 915 conversion is a matter of personal choice. After following threads where they go back anf forth, I decided to R/R my 901. I'll probly buy a new rebuild and just swap it out. My targa isnt that orig either, just the color- '90 Honda San Marino red....check it out:

http://ChadCs71911STarga.homestead.com/

[Kevin G.]

Ray -

I did the rebuild myself on my 2,2S motor, and I ended up missing a few upgrades that I should have had done due to lack of knowledge. Andial should tell you about them as I understand that they are somewhat standard.

What I did do:
Carrera Tensioners
Case savers for head studs
Same process for spark plug holes (I did left drivers side only, as I stripped the threads while installing the LAST plug before reinstalling the motor )
Check mains for correct bore (mine were fine)

What I didn't do:
930 Oil Pump
Oil pressure relief valve modification
Install cylinder oil squirters in case

I found that while re-assembling the motor, I ended up stripping several of the case half studs while attempting to torque to specs. The previous owner had tried to stop case half leaks (and cam cover leaks) by applying too much torque to the studs. These cases are old - you may wish to have Andial install case savers for the case assembly studs as well as the head studs. Shouldn't cost too much and could prevent those dreaded oil leaks.

Good luck!

[TimT]

What I didn't do:
930 Oil Pump
Oil pressure relief valve modification
Install cylinder oil squirters in case


build a solid bottom end, you wont be sorry

[82SC]

well tony callas at callas rennsport has a good reputation overall...I know he does rebuilds...but I don't know if that is his specialty...he is more race prep

I know Wayne has listed a bunch of renowned rebuilders...

But I think if you can foot the bill Andial is a great SoCal choice

Last time I used tony the rate was 68 I think....don't quote me...but I am pretty sure that is what I paid

[BK911]

What about building your engine on another case and leaving the #'s matching case on a shelf? That way if anything ever happens to the engine you still have the original case.

Comments???

[rrcrawford70s]

Thanks for everyone's input. While the engine is torn, I plan to go and check out the parts and see how well they lasted. I will take photos as it goes.
Chad, I am going to keep the 901 trans. I like the quirky pattern. Interesting note is that on the Cert. Of Authenticity, the trans. number was not recorded.
I am going to keep the original 2.2 case. I am looking for LONG term durability, no hassles about the workmanship.
BK, I have thought long and hard about doing just as you suggested. I could put in any motor I want, change the trans. to 915, be very happy. The 2.2 is fast enough. If I was to hotrod, I would go with a T and make it a sleeper. There will always be someone with a built motor. I go 2.7, find a 2.9. I go 2.9, find a 2.9 twin plug, or a 3.0, or 3.2.
There are too many options on the early no smog cars. The only thing stopping you is your checkbook.

[rrcrawford70s]

here is the photo of the engine. before rebuild

[ccandgc]

boy, that sure is purdy.....

[Wayne 962]

I can vouch for Tony Callas being an excellent mechanic and resource. His whole shop is grade-A...

-Wayne

[BK911]

I was suggesting building up a 2.2S using what you have but with a different case. The car is still original, but with added insurance. I am restoring a 70S Targa and am doing just that. I am putting the original case on the shelf so I know I will always have it undamaged. If something happens to the original case the car just depreciated a few grand. And if I ever decide to sell, and the buyer really wants it, I can always rebuild the engine back on the original case.

BK

[rrcrawford70s]

BK, Thanks for the input. You do make a good point.
Here is a photo of the car.