Scart exhaust.Anyone have one?

[911zaz]

I'm looking into changing my stock exhaust on my 88 carrera, I've seen the videos of the scart exhausts and I like the sound. Is it only available in Europe? Anyone running this stateside? Thanks for any input.

[J-Mac]

I stopped by their little booth at Rennsport and the guy told me the were looking to open up a US premises. But I wouldn't hold my breath, he hadn't decided which coast he wanted to base it. There were some samples in the booth and they looked well made.

[Elombard]

Interesting

The website claims that horsepower is reduced with their stainless headers (over stock early twin heat exchanger system) because it increases engine temperatures by about 10 deg. Seems like my B&Bs lowered engine temps but that was vs the stock 3.2 system which is more restrictive and designed to heat up I think.

Not cheap but looks well made and interesting options. I would probably just go with Rarly L's stuff in that price range

[Spumato]

I understand that you want another system aside from stock. The only advice that I can give is to use the older style SSI's 1974-earlier exhaust, coupled with a muffler from M&K. I have this setup on my 3.0L and there is nothing else out there that even compares. Reach out to Brian at RarelyL8. You will be very pleased. Others will note that it's plain too loud for their tastes. But in my opinion, when a car is setup and breathes correctly, it will resonate with some respect, so you have to view it in that fashion. Fortunately, Brian also can supply you with a removable cap option for reducing one of the dual outputs for long travels and in-city commutes if you have concerns.

[J-Mac]

Originally Posted by Spumato

I understand that you want another system aside from stock. The only advice that I can give is to use the older style SSI's 1974-earlier exhaust, coupled with a muffler from M&K. I have this setup on my 3.0L and there is nothing else out there that even compares. Reach out to Brian at RarelyL8. You will be very pleased. Others will note that it's plain too loud for their tastes. But in my opinion, when a car is setup and breathes correctly, it will resonate with some respect, so you have to view it in that fashion. Fortunately, Brian also can supply you with a removable cap option for reducing one of the dual outputs for long travels and in-city commutes if you have concerns.

Interesting - would you say the older 74 style SSI is > than the newer SSIs (on a 3.2)?

[911zaz]

I appreciate all the feedback so far. I am not after a loud exhaust just something with a bit more growl. I have looked into M&K but the soundclips that I've heard haven't struck a nerve for me. The HP gain is also nice but I doubt I would feel it. I love the sound a Fister makes on 993s but unfortunately they do not make one for my car. The Scart exhaust videos that I have seen come close. I'll attach a link so you know what I'm talking about.

[911zaz]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7IVB9qmafEA

[Steve@Rennsport]

A little advice about choosing exhaust systems.

Ask a potential vendor for engine dyno charts comparing stock systems to their products. Not chassis dynos since those results can be skewed; engine dyno results. This is the only way you will know what effect (positive or negative) it will have on your particular motor.

Many exhaust manufacturers do not use a dyno in the process of development and thats a MAJOR flaw. Without that tool, one doesn't know and understand the effects of any particular design on the Torque and HP curves.

Having built race engines since the mid-sixties, I can say without reservation that primary lengths, primary diameters, collector design, secondary lengths, secondary diameters, and muffler designs all have large impacts on TQ & HP on any engine, regardless of its state of tune.

The learning curve was plenty steep (as well as expensive) and its easy to ruin the power curves of a well-designed engine with a set of headers (or HE's) and muffler that were improperly configured or designed for an application. In other words, you cannot tell much by appearance, especially mufflers.

Hope this helps,

[Spumato]

Hey J-Mac in case you haven't noticed everything older is better. This goes with 3.0L being faster than a 3.2L, and the older exhaust being the most sought after as well. At least in the purest, raw design and well engineered P.O.V. If the diameter were a wee-bit larger, they'd be ideal for the 3.2L.

My 3.0L is a monster, and will outperform any 3.2! It isn't stock, but it's a killer!!

[Spumato]

And it's also a bit like the newer water cooler units. Yeah, they're fast, but they are also heavier. In fact every year Porsche has added weight. So I will gladly take my middie that has a short ring and pinion set on a fresh 915, with rebuilt axles and my modified 3.0L SC monster over a water engine. You cannot procure the same amount of car without spending upwards of $300,000.00. In short, they just don't make them like they used to and the older cars are getting more and more scarce every week.

[911zaz]

So no one has this exhaust?

[RarlyL8]

Fellow drove the entire video with his right turn signal on, he should set up shop in Florida where that sorta thing is commonplace.
Videos never do justice to sound quality and sound level, you need to hear the setup in person to verify it is the one for you.
As been said before, SSI are a bit small for the Carrera engine which is why we built our 1.63" tuned headers. Dyno work was done during development and SW has a chip for them. Our headers and mufflers also save a bunch of weight over stock, or over any other aftermarket systems out there. Entire header/muffler systems weigh 25-30 pounds depending on configuration. The sound, weight savings and unmatched durability of 321 stainless is an added plus.

[Reiver]

Buy American...give M&K a call.
Patriotic post of the day.

[Harry998R]

Hi,

Yep, I have the "Super Sound" muffler, very loud but makes you feel like Steve McQueen

Cheers,

Harry.



And a video with the sound from the cabin:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaQk5j7ROs

[Reiver]

Originally Posted by Harry998R

Hi,

Yep, I have the "Super Sound" muffler, very loud but makes you feel like Steve McQueen

Cheers,

Harry.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaQk5j7ROs

Sounds nice and loud....I can see the mid range torque of a stock motor going out the window...I know yours is not stock so no issue but most never look at the unintended consequences of open flow/more noise on a stock lump.

[Harry998R]

Originally Posted by Reiver

Sounds nice and loud....I can see the mid range torque of a stock motor going out the window...I know yours is not stock so no issue but most never look at the unintended consequences of open flow/more noise on a stock lump.

Yes, I actually put a stock Dansk muffler on the engine and did a direct comparison, the engine felt stronger through the mid range with the stock muffler.


Cheers,

Harry.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by Harry998R

Hi,

Yep, I have the "Super Sound" muffler, very loud but makes you feel like Steve McQueen

Cheers,

Harry.



And a video with the sound from the cabin:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaQk5j7ROs

LOVE those sounds. Saw the Scart folks at RRV. Product was very impressive. They were looking to establish a SoCal 'branch.'

[Steve@Rennsport]

Originally Posted by Harry998R

Yes, I actually put a stock Dansk muffler on the engine and did a direct comparison, the engine felt stronger through the mid range with the stock muffler.


Cheers,

Harry.

Oh yesssssss.