Sending the 73 to the crusher

[wayner]

Tequila talking here: just watched that animal house video clip

Time for a really futile and stupid gesture on somebody's part. Gona drop the engine. Who is with me??

Nevermind I'll do it myself

Break out the beer. I going in!

[Tim K]

Update?

Sorry to hear about this. After slaying a couple of dragons already, this would be very disheartening. Best of luck!

Tim K

[bpu699]

Hang in there... its a journey...

I bought a 930 6 years ago that needed a "little work." Love working on cars, so I was looking forward to it. Figured it would take a couple months...

6 years later...
A whole garage full of new tools...
About 100 spent weekends...
Family and marital stress...
A new house as the old garage was "too small..."

And I have a car thats 95% done, drives great, and I just started doing drivers ed HPDE in...

One helluva experience, and I suspect I will never sell this car...

Would I ever do it again? HELL NO. A couple years ago I was looking at this as the dumbest financial decision I could have made , but hind sight is 20/20... If I paid myself $30 an hour for my work, I could have been driving a 959 right now . But, looking at current values... I did awefully well...

Stick it through. You will have a one of a kind car, that you have "bonded with" which you will probably keep forever... Plus, you now have a great story...

Go out, buy a cheap/running sc motor and put it in and enjoy the car. Fix the motor you have later, then sell the SC motor. You will get all of your money back...

[wayner]

Well, I suppose some people have spent more in golf memberships than you did over all those years

My two engine options that I am considering right now are:

1) install the 2.4 engine that I haven my basement, correct for the car (the specific engine model only used for 6 months of production of a T with MFi for early 1973. This motor has been hotrodded.

OR

2) Rebuild the somewhat rare Carerra 3.0 hotrodded engine that I have installed in the car now that just began making those ungodly noises after entertaining me for hours at a DE last week, then driving me 150 km home, then 300 km round trip on an excursion, then a couple days booting around town before startling me one morning with this noise.

Decisions decisions...

I guess on the up side, I can finally get Chris my engine guy to open this one up for the first time, before he gets too old to do it.

[gtc]

Drop the motor, install the spare. Seems like a no-brainer.
Decide what to do with the C3 after you crack it open.
Sadly, finding a cheap SC motor might be a thing of history...

[wayner]

The spare needs an mfi pump that may cost as much as an engine rebuild these days...

[Dodge Man]

I have 73 MFI car and I would entertain buying the car or motor/trans to put my 73 motor & trans back to 73 MFI spec. I also have quite a few C3 (Carrera 3.0) parts in the shed. Send a PM I interested. I also have access to an awesome ready to drive 310 HP 84 Euro 928 to replace the 73. Freshly restored, One owner Euro 928 S $ 18,500 OBO

[jpnovak]

Not exactly sure what happened here. The other thread shows corrupt after your vimeo attachment.

So... I assume your engine let out some HP and has NO go and some internal issues.

Install the carbs from the other engine on the 2.4. rejet for the smaller engine. bolt it up and go. Then rebuild the 3.0 as you have time and money. This keeps the car driving while you fix the problems.

Frustration of an old car is part of the process. Suck it up, find a solution and move on.

[wayner]

The engine started knocking and blew up the thread Jamie

Dodge, thanks. I'll keep you in mind

As for timing, I'm in canada and winter is about to set in so I have plenty of time to save up

I'm not sure how people in warner climates manage to afford a car or racing hobby

[HarryD]

Sorry to hear. In August my 1973.5 CIS motor backfired and blew up the air box (yes I had a pop off). After we replaced the box, we found a misfire (prolly the source of the backfire). Took off the heads s found a damaged head and piston. Fortunately we were able to to save the unobtainum 1/2 year only piston.


while the motor was out, we found a worn clutch late, and damaged fork.

With any luck I will be back on the road at the end of the month.

I feel your pain. This was not in my budget but what are you going to do?

[wayner]

Sounds like you and I are on similar paths in a different order. Save the 73s!...

In my case, I figured out what to do to finally relieve my stress.
I'll leave it to the group to guess which technique worked for me...

[gamin]

Although sound reproduction on my computer is suspect, I find the engine noises in your video somewhat familiar. You may have a rocker shaft out of location and a rocker arm adrift. If so, this is easy to locate and fix, hopefully with no damage. Removal of the valve covers may tell the story. Here's hoping it is nothing more serious.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by gamin

Although sound reproduction on my computer is suspect, I find the engine noises in your video somewhat familiar. You may have a rocker shaft out of location and a rocker arm adrift. If so, this is easy to locate and fix, hopefully with no damage. Removal of the valve covers may tell the story. Here's hoping it is nothing more serious.

Now THAT would be really good news...relatively.

I'd hate to go shopping for a crank shaft. A single rocker shaft would be much easier on my wallet. I wonder what might cause that?

(also, based on an earlier suggestion, I've already eliminated the alternator from the equation. I'd had it rebuilt this summer so did not expect it to be the problem, but turning the engine over with the starter and no fan belt still produced the same noise).

It does seem to be coming more from the right front side of the engine. nearest the firewall, although I hear it loudest through the fan opening.

[HarryD]

Originally Posted by wayner

Now THAT would be really good news...relatively.

I'd hate to go shopping for a crank shaft. A single rocker shaft would be much easier on my wallet. I wonder what might cause that?

(also, based on an earlier suggestion, I've already eliminated the alternator from the equation. I'd had it rebuilt this summer so did not expect it to be the problem, but turning the engine over with the starter and no fan belt still produced the same noise).

It does seem to be coming more from the right front side of the engine. nearest the firewall, although I hear it loudest through the fan opening.

It seems these cars are fairly robust. I am hoping the repair is something simple and you are able to move away from the crusher.

[wayner]

Thanks Harry

Thats one of the main reasons I have one of these. They are supposed to be quite robust, and for a fun street car with some track days here and there, they should be just the ticket.

One of the things that I liked about buying an old track car is that track cars tend to be pretty well maintained or at least regularly maintained. It seems with the mechanical issues that I have experienced since saving the car, and the relatively few miles I have put on it, that this car was pretty used up.

Good news is that I am closing in on reliability, but with the $20k engine rebuild receipt that came with the car, I didn't expect to open it up for a long time. If I do get my own engine guy to open it up, I'll feel a lot better about its long term viability.

[gamin]

Well, have you opened anything?

[wayner]

Originally Posted by gamin

Well, have you opened anything?

Beer. Lots of beer...

[wayner]

Ok, stripping it down to see what's what.

I probably won't have many updates for a while.
I'll be taking some time to clean up the engine compartment a bit more regardless of what god in there next. I'd always intended that as a future winter project, just not this soon.

Since I'm dropping it and taking it to Chris for an autopsy, I figure I'll clean up and properly store all the external components here. BTW, seeing lots of beautiful porting work on the intakes. According to the build sheet it should carry all the way through to the crank.



If I can believe the original paperwork, here is a pic of what it is supposed to look like inside. This explains why it was so strong up top.

There was supposed to be almost $9k in labor according to the original build sheet.

[Jim2]

I listened to your video a couple days ago, no doubt coming apart but...

Have you pulled the plugs to see if it ingested something? Electrode will be hammered.

Remove sump plate to see if any material is visible

Remove oil filter and cut open to inspect for particulate.

[tirwin]

You must be Irish.



I feel your pain.

If I lived in Central Canada I would buy you a drink or ten.

You're back in there. Good on you.