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Best starter for 911
Planning to buy a new starer for my 911 any suggestions?
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09-20-2015, 09:16 PM
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I've used both the orignal Bosch and the newer "high torque" started from our host. Both work great! The high torque starter definately is stronger and "works better" in my opinion. However it doesn't sound right to me. It sounds like a newer japanese car / motorcycle to me when it's turning over. Nothing wrong with that however with my Porsche-OCD, I prefer the lazy sound of the OEM Bosch starter.
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09-20-2015, 10:39 PM
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I bought one from a forum member.
Lightweight (2.7 Kg !!) and high torque. Huge weightsaving compared to the stock starter. Never lookted back.
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09-21-2015, 12:38 AM
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High torque starter for sure. Saves weight where it counts. Yes, it sounds different. Who cares what the starter sounds like? Oh wait, it's not concours.
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09-21-2015, 04:00 AM
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The sound is "funny" but the high torque lightweight starter is the choice I went for.
I do drive mine on road trips. The Bosch starters tend to get hot and heat soak and then lock up until they cool off some. Mine only did it on road trips. It never did it in normal around town driving or on short trips. The smaller high torque has been flawless. I have two of the huge Bosch starters in my attic. I guess I need to put them up for sale and get rid of them. I will not be using them.
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09-21-2015, 05:40 AM
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I replaced my starter last year. I went with the "hi-torque"starter.
Works great.... still have not got used to the sound ! |
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09-21-2015, 05:46 AM
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Put in a hi-torq starter 15 years ago. Haven't looked at it since.
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09-21-2015, 06:55 AM
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old vs new
My take is they both work when new, I went hi-torque for the lower cost and easier install because its physically smaller vs. new but probably not built in Germany as my old one was from Bosch. This was after having the Bosch rebuilt once locally and it failed again after a year. (not such a great rebuild obviously, least it was inexpensive). Its just a starter.
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09-21-2015, 07:09 AM
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If you're stuck somewhere or you're on a budget, just use a VW auto-stick starter. IIRC it has the same torq as a regular 911 starter and it doesn't come with the Porsche price surcharge.
Also, they were Bosch supplied with the same part number as used on the 911. Again, the autostick only, NOT the 4speed ACVW . It will work on all 911's up to 1989. Just FYI Last edited by bt1211; 09-21-2015 at 07:15 AM.. |
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09-21-2015, 07:13 AM
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I swear, and maybe I'm wrong, but it sure feels like the hi torque spins the motor quicker which makes my old 72 catch faster.
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09-21-2015, 07:19 AM
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I was wondering if that really is another benefit to installing a HT starter. Do they in fact make your engine crank faster for quicker starts?
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05-07-2016, 02:54 PM
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High torque starters are really a no-brainer. Lighter, far more compact, and sound really cool and racey
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05-07-2016, 03:08 PM
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Weight and possibly reliability wise, the HT wins.
Personally, I will always stick to the OEM starter. HT starters will fire the engine up quite a bit faster than the Bosch. Given oil pressure takes time to build up, I don't mind a slower starting crank. Just my 2c ! |
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05-07-2016, 05:28 PM
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The weight and size. You have a lot more room to below with the smaller lighter units.
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05-07-2016, 06:07 PM
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Damn it i just replaced mine with oem bosch and did not remember the ht starter!
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05-07-2016, 07:25 PM
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The hi-torque starters I have used I have logged with lower cranking speeds than the stock ones. I still used the hi-torque ones and have never had a problem after many years, but you may need to compensate for cranking speeds. For example, one EFI ecu I know of wont recognize the car as cranking at ~250 rpm that the hi-torque versions. You need to go in and edit the cranking thresholds.
I havent heard of this being n issue on stock cars, but maybe informative for those commenting on teh different sound (it is slower than a healthy OEM unit) and for anyone using an aftermarket efi.
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05-07-2016, 09:04 PM
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05-07-2016, 09:31 PM
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Which makes sense. To be able to use the smaller, lighter starter motor, but still creating the high torque, they're geared to gain a mechanical advantage. Thus a higher rpm light weight motor, geared down to make good torque equals similar or perhaps slower speed at the ring gear.
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05-08-2016, 06:18 AM
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This is what I have logged in a couple cars with both.
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05-08-2016, 08:40 AM
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This video seems to show a HT starter firing the car up a
lot quicker. The OEM starting crank takes almost a sec before the engine rumbles to life which is about what my 87 does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1yYxhpbD2A |
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05-08-2016, 10:07 AM
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