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Bilstein or Boge on a Cab

I have an 86 Cab with Boge front struts, its time to update the suspension.

I use my car mainly for street with the odd sprint and motorkhana thrown in. The local wrench, who is very well respected in Sydney suggested to stick with the Boge's for a cab.

He suggested they are a little softer and will not over stiffen the ride or chassis.

What shocks are most Cab drivers running?
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I just upgraded my Cab with Bilstein HD's, and no issue with them being too firm. I debated over the HD vs Sport. I am upgrading the torsion bars to given me a little more road feel.
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Hi Guys,

Reading your postings, just wanted to tell you that I recently renewed my shocks of my 911Cab since I found them a little soft and suspected that they were worn. Well I stayed with the boges, and have to say that the cornering improved how ever the soft (at least feeling wise) ride remained. My former car was a 911S 2.7 with Billstein sports all around! Well this was definately a firm (teeth ratling) ride, but in all honesty I prefer it above the current cab/boge ride.

Now one of you was mentioning something with regard to torsion bars and replacing them in order to get more road feel, can somebody please explain how this works? Is it worthwhile updating to larger diameter torsion bars?

thanks for the response!

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My 1987 Cab just got Bilsteins HD & Sport from our host.

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David,

I've also got an '86 cab and upgraded from the clapped out old stock Boges to Bilstein sports all around. While they are perfect for me, as I do a lot of autocross and track work, I believe they would be too stiff for what you describe as your normal use.

I'd suggest the Bilstein HD. They will transform your car without making it too stiff. I've used Bilsteins in everything from my old GTI to my 911 to several 4Runner's I've had over the years. They are the best shocks made, IMO.

Good luck,

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My '87 has original shocks. Never been replaced. It's works fine.
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Bilstein Sports hands down. I don't think it is bone jarring at all. The Boges are way too soft, like a Caddy.
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Caliber - You may want to check thos struts? I thought my car was riding good. Had an '83 with original struts. Took the front ones out and they came out in pieces - totally shot. I compressed the strut and it stayed compressed. You will be amazed the diffrence a new set of struts will make!
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anyone using a front shock tower brace on their cab? Is this effective/ok?

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Bilsteins!

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Mark,

Putting a strut tower brace on my 86 cab made a big difference in turn-in. I used the Weltmeister (ordered from Pelican, of course). I highly recommend it. Relatively cheap, easy to install and highly effective.

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Dean,
Did you have to have an alignment done afterwards?

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Wanna trade? I have Bilsteins on my SC, am looking to soften the ride a bit and would be willing to trade down if interested.


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Thanks - great to see a wide range of responses.

One thing I did not mention is that I have 18" wheels on the car with low profile tyres, this adds to the firmness of the ride.

I gather that the Boges will make some improvement to the handling, even if they are softer?

They have suggested that the Boges are adjustable - how adjustable are they and how is this process enabled on the fronts and rears.

I also have a strut brace, which is often used by the suspension guys in the fine tuning of the frontend.
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Yep, got a tower brace too. JM brand, bought here at Pelican. Maybe a bit better at turn in but that's pretty unqualified from me. Next year I'll be racing so I'm going to do some swapping in and out to see if there's any differences.

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Turbo Tie rods - big difference over stock. Best upgrade I've done. Also from Pelican.

Rack spacers to use when you lower the car with the new steering geometry your gonna dial in with all the new goodies. Spacers available from Pelican.

Oh and while your mucking around in that area
Lug nuts and a soft socket will make the car handle better and go faster too. Trust Me! They too are also available from............you guessed it....Pelican.

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Caliper,

I cannot imagine how 15 year old shocks could still be good.
I recently replaced the original shocks and inserts on my '87 Targa with Bilstein sports/HD. The original Boge's could easily be compressed with one hand. Not to mention that the factory used oil damped inserts while the superior Bilsteins are gas filled.



As everyone has probably heard before - beware! Gas shocks / inserts likely will raise your ride height almost an inch. Replacing shocks normally turns into lowering, aligning, corner balance, turbo tie rods ( my original tie rods were very worn - I'll bet yours are too ) , bump steer correction bushings, and lots of smiles
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GOT AN 85 CAB. PUT BILSTEIN SPORTS ALL AROUND & LOWERED FRONT END
FEELS LIKE A 911 NOW.
DO IT YOU WON'S REGRET IT!
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What about Koni's? Anybody try them?
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Currently running Boge's. Not sure that it is a soft ride--as my prior 83 had Bilsteins. Honestly, cannot tell much of a difference, but I am not a racer. Except of course, for the occasional idiot ricer that pisses me off.

Those 18" rims with low profiles I am sure will stiffen the ride, so perhaps the Boge's might equal it all out.
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