024 - Are Fraise and Rose Red the Same Color?

[naparsei]

Any thoughts? The pictures I've seen of "Fraise" generally look darker, but I think these are the same color - 024. I was hoping someone can confirm. Part of the problem is that pictures posted on line run from a dark raspberry to almost bahia red to barbie pink. If anyone can provide any feedback, it would be greatly appreciated.

[my1st911]

I am in no way an expert, but I would have to say they are similar but not the same. Fraise is a french word for strawberry. A nice ripe strawberry and a red rose are close in color, but doubt its exactly the same

[djpateman]

Originally Posted by my1st911

Fraise is a French word for strawberry.

I agree, which makes it strange that it is often called raspberry. Rose Red is, I believe, an alternate name for the same color. It would appear that they could not decide what to call it, nor could they get the translation correct.

[naparsei]

Originally Posted by djpateman

I agree, which makes it strange that it is often called raspberry. Rose Red is, I believe, an alternate name for the same color. It would appear that they could not decide what to call it, nor could they get the translation correct.

That's along my lines of thinking - that it was translation issue. The paint code is definitely the same, but even that isn't straightforward.

The paint codes I've seen are: 024, N4, 033, 3333, 72002 (not sure here), Rose Red 1972 3310,3333; Rose Red 1973 4510, 4545.

Are these all the same color?

[djpateman]

The 33 in 3310 / 3333 and the 45 in 4510 / 4545 would indicate two different colors.
BTW: the xx10 is for Targas where the top is black so 3310 is body 33 and top black, and where 3333 is body 33 and roof 33, all one color. A black car would be 1010 whether coupe or Targa.

I've pretty much completed the 914 paint codes and am working on the 1965 through 1969 911 & 912 codes. It gets complicated with the paint codes stamped into the dataplates, the color numbers and the marketing order codes. No to mention the color description changes with every literature source you look at. Then there are the times you ask: what the hell was Fritz thinking! (67-81 9101-H & 77-94 0503 two row code for silver in 1969).

[naparsei]

Originally Posted by djpateman

The 33 in 3310 / 3333 and the 45 in 4510 / 4545 would indicate two different colors.
BTW: the xx10 is for Targas where the top is black so 3310 is body 33 and top black, and where 3333 is body 33 and roof 33, all one color. A black car would be 1010 whether coupe or Targa.

I've pretty much completed the 914 paint codes and am working on the 1965 through 1969 911 & 912 codes. It gets complicated with the paint codes stamped into the dataplates, the color numbers and the marketing order codes. No to mention the color description changes with every literature source you look at. Then there are the times you ask: what the hell was Fritz thinking! (67-81 9101-H & 77-94 0503 two row code for silver in 1969).

So, in your opinion, are we dealing with three different paint codes: 024, 033, and 045. I will take a moment later and cross check those other numbers (033 and 045) with the "actual" colors and see if they are in the ball park. I have a paint chip for 024, and it looks darker than I would have expected.

Everyone's input has been great; thanks for the help thus far.

[djpateman]

Ah, now there you are confusing 024 color number with 45 color code. Both refer to the same color, Fraise / Rose Red / Raspberry. Color numbers are generally three digit. The code 45 is two digit. They are two different but parallel systems. The 33 you previously referred to appears to be Ravenna green in my records. However, many systems were use for a short time only, except for the color number system which appears to have been in use a very long time. The 4545 code system started in the 1970 model year.

[naparsei]

Thank you. This link helps: http://www.356-911.com/modelinfo/911colours/911colours7173.htm

Any thoughts on what "N4" refers to? I found that reference on this site: http://www.911c1.de/porsche/Technik/farben/farbcode_rosa.htm

Of course, that site shows the color as only a 1973 color, when it was obviously a special order color in 1972 and 1973.

It would appear they are the same color. Now, the problem is getting a true sense of what that color actually looks like on a car - I've seen many, many different shades in photos - although perhaps the color is extremely sensitive to sunlight.

[djpateman]

I'm guessing the N4 is a marketing code. Just like the 4510 they also had a set like N4V9 where the V9 was the same as the 10 noting a black roof on a targa. So a coupe might be N4N4.

If you refer to photos as pictures on your computer screen, then every computer and screen will show them differently. To get your screen to show the colors correctly you need a sophisticated device and software to calibrate it; big bucks, but necessary for people doing artwork. Lighting can also be a big factor as you noted. For the true color, you need to see it in person.

Porsche-O-Phile wrote in one thread: Here's the list of what I was able to find (source is a 1974 Porsche/Audi dealer's reference handbook I bought off of ebay):

Porsche 911, 911S, Carrera - 1974 models

Standard Paint Colors & Codes:

Coupe: Targa: Color:
B6B6 B6V9 Light Yellow
D3D3 D3V9 Desert Beige
E7E7 E7V9 Orange
G8G8 G8V9 India Red
H1H1 H1V9 Peru Red**
K5K5 K5V9 Mexico Blue (this is a possibility)
N8N8 N8V9 Lime Green
R4R4 R4V9 Grand Prix White
T3T3 T3V9 Chocolate Brown**

Special Paint Colors (extra cost):

A1A1 A1V9 Black**
E2E2 E2V9 Signal Orange
G6G6 G6V9 Aubergine**
H2H2 H2V9 Magenta
J9J9 J9V9 Gulf Blue (also a possibilty)
K3K3 K3V9 Lilac
K7K7 K7V9 Bahama Blue** (not sure what this one looks like, but I'll check)
M1M1 M1V9 Jade Green
M3M3 M3V9 Irish Green**
N3N3 N3V9 Olive
N4N4 N4V9 Raspberry
N9N9 N9V9 Birch Green
W5W5 W5V9 Salmon Metallic*
X1X1 X1V9 Blue Metallic* (nope, mine's not metallic, nice color though)
X3X3 X3V9 Gemini Blue Metallic*
Y8Y8 Y8V9 Ice Green Metallic*
Y9Y9 Y9V9 Emerald Green Metallic*
Z2Z2 Z2V9 Silver Metallic*
Z6Z6 Z6V9 Copper Brown Metallic*
Z7Z7 Z7V9 Gazelle Metallic*
9999 9999 Paint to Sample (possible, but not likely)

* Metallic Colors not available on Carrera.
** Option No. 427 mandatory on Carrera
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Jeff N. (Brewer, Pelicanite, 951 Combustibility Tester)

[aircool]

Not to muddy the waters, or ramble, but I had a 1973 914 that the PO told me was "raspberry red". It was a pale pink color. It had a small dent in the lower front right fender. I took to a body shop to get it fixed and told them the paint was "raspberry red". When I went to pick up the car the dent was fixed but the paint color was darker than the rest of the car. The painter told me he first thought the original paint was faded (it looked like a pale pink) which accounted for the darker tone of the new paint. He then went back and checked samples and said I had given him the wrong color. My 914 was actually "strawberry" (according to the code), not "raspberry". Of course he was going by what I told him, not by the code. (It was my first Porsche, what did I know about paint codes). He kept calling my color "strawberry" and the darker color raspberry or fuchsia. I don't know, but there was a definite difference in colors.

A couple of years later I had a 59 VW ragtop and took it into paint. I told them to paint it "Porsche Raspberry Red". it came out a darker fuchsia pink color.

I have some pics buried somewhere, I'll post, eventually.

I have since researched the color codes. My 914 was definitely Fraise. The "raspberry" color the painter used was Karminrot. The VW I had painted also matches Karminrot.

[naparsei]

Thanks. Fraise is definitely the color of the '74 IROC car (of the 16 cars there is also a Karminrot). I ultimately painted my car "Strawberry" but it's not a pale, light color - it's much richer.

[1971 911T]

how about 964 Rubystone?

[88911coupe]

Any pics? I've never heard of these reds before. I know there was also another Porsche red which is closer to BMWs Imola Red. I like it MUCH better than Guards red, even though both 911s I've owned have been Guards Red. I've never seen the other red "in the flesh" so I'm going by pics but it appears to be awesome. I think maybe it was called Peru Red? Not sure about the name.

[aircool]

Correct Naparsei, it is a richer color. Mine was faded, but after I sold it (in Virginia), the new owner had it painted and it looked much better, richer color. Actually I like that color. My wife would kill me if I ever bought a Porsche that color though.

[aircool]

My 914 was a faded version of this 911

[djpateman]

kaminrot is Magenta color # 009
fraise is Raspberry / Rose Red color # 024
not the same at all

[Pork Chops]

Originally Posted by naparsei

Thanks. Fraise is definitely the color of the '74 IROC car (of the 16 cars there is also a Karminrot). I ultimately painted my car "Strawberry" but it's not a pale, light color - it's much richer.

Bit of a thread dig, but by chance do you (or anyone else subscribed to the thread) have images of a Fraise car you've owned and or painted Fraise?

[Canada Kev]

Didn't TRE build one a couple years back? As I recall it was Fraise, a wide body, no tail, long hood with dark grey non-Fuchs wheels.

[Pork Chops]

Originally Posted by Canada Kev

Didn't TRE build one a couple years back? As I recall it was Fraise, a wide body, no tail, long hood with dark grey non-Fuchs wheels.

Yes they did but I personally do not believe it's Fraise. If it is Fraise, they've got a funky paint mix or something is up with the photography. I've got a Fraise paint sample (just been done) and it no way resembles that car.

[BSNMOE]

I have a Rose Red color code 024 which also is Fraise or Raspberry. Allot of the discrepancy is the paint manufacture. Also the tints of the 70"s are different as the product line changed. The orig Glasurit 21 line was more on the muted pink hue but the newer 22 line was more on the red/Raspberry and more vibrant. PPG line comes close but the rest were way off color.
In the morning sun or evening it looks more Raspberry but in hot Sun goes almost pink.
The primary color when mixing is kind of beige then they add violet purple and then almost s brick red.